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    Default The Amir Johnson Thread

    I am very curious as to what your impression is of Amir Johnson after the first two games and what you feel the impact of Reggie's strong play and the debut of Ed Davis may have on his season?

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    Amir is playing himself out of a rotation spot, and if he doesn't learn to stay on the floor, his contract will become the biggest albatross on this roster (as I forsee Calderon regaining a semblance of his shooting game at some point in time. If not though, then holy...is that one giant mozzaball of an issue right there).

    In defense of Amir, though, I've seen more than my fair share of cheap fouls called on him thus far in these two games. There was one foul he got called for against Stoudemire in the opener, it was ridiculous. It was at the elbow, Amare fakes a drive, and instead pulls up for a jumper. Amir bites on the fake, and in the process of falling away from Amare (Amir bit on the drive fake hard), somehow gets called for a shooting foul, despite being nowhere near Amare as he pulled up for the shot. No way was that a just call. One or two of those a game is all it takes, and Amir is riding the pine there on out, his confidence in his ability to play proper defence shot.

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    Amir has to consistently be better than the other team's backup PF in any given game (assuming Davis takes the starting role). He needs to be a legitimate anchor for the second unit, who, while not being a contender, would get a mention in the conversation for 6th man of the year (in the future, of course).

    He definitely has that potential, in my opinion, but whether or not he gets that opportunity, as a result of his fouls or the current logjam at the 4, is an entirely different case.

    I could live with Amir being traded, but I'd need a good reason to see Evans go.

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    I'm not sure where Amir fits on this roster anymore. Evans has been outplaying him and Ed Davis should be seeing big minutes by Christmas so what do we do with Amir?
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    Good question, I was thinking the same thing. It's only 2 games but man...big disappointment so far.

    This whole Reggie playing good is throwing the whole rotation a huge curveball.

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    Tough start, but it's only two games. Reggie's contract is expiring this year so I doubt Amir will be traded. They signed him for his potential, which is a weird thing to say for a guy who's been in the league for five years.

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    Quote hateslosing wrote: View Post
    I'm not sure where Amir fits on this roster anymore. Evans has been outplaying him and Ed Davis should be seeing big minutes by Christmas so what do we do with Amir?
    Probably not trade him. The Raptors looked to be bidding against themselves in July...

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    Imo he is playing scared. See it in his body lang. and of course tentative play. This because he is quite aware of the "albatross" (fouling). His value to the team has been his energy which of course has also led to his foul problems apart from him having a rep with the refs. As with all things about the team it's too early to tell. Hope he works at it. Nevertheless he comes across as a team guy and hard worker so the coaches should encourage and keep working with him about recognizing game situations and not being so closely obsessive with man coverage all the time. Thats what gets to me most ...his one on one fouling...I still want him to be aggressive on help def. and rebounding.

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    His image in the public eye changed as soon as he signed the big deal. Bosh was out, Johnson was set up to be the successor at PF in the starting five and the big contract seemed to validate the notion. Dislike Boh all you like but he has big shoes to fill and Amir went from welcomed surprise/underdog to expected to deliver every night. If he were a pizza delivery guy I'd have a free pizza right now.

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    go YoungOnez!!! - if nothing else happens this year the Raptors will set a first - the only franchise in sports history to base an entire marketing campaign around second string players

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    He's been exactly what i said he would be.....garbage buckets...bad D and stupid needless fouls....

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    Quote Trife76 wrote: View Post
    He's been exactly what i said he would be.....garbage buckets...bad D and stupid needless fouls....
    He's fouling isn't changing - too bad. But garbage buckets? What's better than an offensive rebound put back up for an easy score? Would you rather have someone that's double-teamed jack up a prayer? Scoring efficiency shouldn't be scoffed at as "garbage". Few players run the floor and jump like he does - for further easy scores. I think 62% FG is pretty solid.

    Where do you get your "bad D" comments? Last year he had the best on/off court Def differential.
    http://basketballvalue.com/topplayer...&sortorder=ASC
    What explains this? Not bad D I assure you.

    But its all a moot point if he continues to foul at such a torrid pace.

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    Default Its Hard To Believe That Johnson is Making As Much Money as Blake Griffin

    Did Johnson steal $30 million from MLSE?

    It could be

    At his foul rate his contract could be untradeable.

    When Davis can play Johnson could be at the end of the bench dreaming up his next video.

    Got to admit it looks like Johnson pulled a Ryan Leaf and I didn't see it coming with Johnson though I did with Leaf.

    We shall see.
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    Quote Buddahfan wrote: View Post
    Did Johnson steal $30 million from MLSE?

    It could be

    At his foul rate his contract could be untradeable.

    When Davis can play Johnson could be at the end of the bench dreaming up his next video.

    Got to admit it looks like Johnson pulled a Ryan Leaf and I didn't see it coming with Johnson though I did with Leaf.

    We shall see.
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    Never thought you would ever make that post of a statement. I was gonna say wait another year till he finally realizes BC made YET another stupid signing.
    But, hats off to you buddy.
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    We should appreciate the fact that the Raptors Supreme Mastermind GM Bryan Colangelo gave him that money. Where oh where would we be without Bryan Colangelo?!? We damn well wouldn't be as entertained as we are now (for all the wrong reasons)
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    Blake Griffin is getting underpaid and is on rookie contract. /thread

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    Can't believe I'm saying this but Reggie has made Amir Redundant. Evans Cleans the glass so well no one even cares about amir's hustle anymore.
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    Quote Buddahfan wrote: View Post
    Did Johnson steal $30 million from MLSE?

    It could be

    At his foul rate his contract could be untradeable.

    When Davis can play Johnson could be at the end of the bench dreaming up his next video.

    Got to admit it looks like Johnson pulled a Ryan Leaf and I didn't see it coming with Johnson though I did with Leaf.

    We shall see.

    The $30 m signing is looking like an albatross now - that is the result of offering a contract based on less than a season of play. Add the Jose and Andrea contracts and the cap space, we need in a rebuild(to acquire players for draft picks and draft day trades) is really limited. I am just wondering how much BC would sign Weems to.

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    Quote smushmush wrote: View Post
    The $30 m signing is looking like an albatross now - that is the result of offering a contract based on less than a season of play.
    More like last week of the season play where Johnson had 3 games where he averaged close to 20 points a game. I really believe that Brian Colangelo gave him that big contract because of that performance and the belief that Amir as a result (last week of the season) reached that next level and that a bidding war would ensue if he wouldn't secure him, there is no other explanation (Colangelo panicked after losing Bosh and decided to throw big money to secure Amir). Johnson fooled Toronto like he fooled Detroit by making others believe that he has untapped potential and that he is more then just a foul prone garbage man, history usually repeats itself in the NBA but some GM's never learn.
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    Quote Buddahfan wrote: View Post
    Did Johnson steal $30 million from MLSE?

    It could be

    At his foul rate his contract could be untradeable.

    When Davis can play Johnson could be at the end of the bench dreaming up his next video.

    Got to admit it looks like Johnson pulled a Ryan Leaf and I didn't see it coming with Johnson though I did with Leaf.

    We shall see.
    It's very big of you to say that given how strongly you supported him. I wouldn't use a Ryan Leaf analogy though. Leaf's personality killed his career (ie: saying stupid things, fighting with teammates, shouting at reporters, etc). I would compare Amir right now to Adonal Foyle. He was a good guy, who showed promise, his team felt compelled to keep him but unfortunately totally misjudged the market for the guy and came out of the gate with a ridiculous over the top contract offer.

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