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    Default Sooooo Ya, How 'Bout Them Raptors?

    Well, 6 games in and eventhough the record isn't what most of us would like to see, I'd have to say I'm not as disappointed as I thought I'd be. Sure we've had breakdowns at crucial times, but I chalk that up to the lack of experience. I feel I can use that excuse right now because the season is still young, but you can't discount the effort our there with these guys.

    Moving forward, what do you guys think needs to be done? I'm not looking for "Fire Jay" or "Trade Andrea for Mike Sweetney" answers, but more of are there things that we can do like tweaking the line-up or getting more from players who haven't been given an opportunity type of answers.

    Colangelo isn't going to have the ability to pull of some amazing trade to make us contenders any time soon, so we're going to have the make the most of what we have right now.

    In the meantime, let us know how you feel so far after the first couple weeks?

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    Colangelo shouldn't do anything. This team needs to develop some chemistry. Save it for next summer when he has a top 5 pick, cap space and a large trade exception to work with.

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    i haven't watched a full game yet and don't have sportsnet one so haven't watched many, and to be honest i haven't really cared i was pissed when i heard the announcement of sportsnet one hosting raptors game but i juist haven't cared.

    nobody cares about this season there is no hype, everyone that was judging them has had them live up to expectations.
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    Default Tweak in the starting line-up

    Quote Doc Naismith wrote: View Post
    Well, 6 games in and eventhough the record isn't what most of us would like to see, I'd have to say I'm not as disappointed as I thought I'd be. Sure we've had breakdowns at crucial times, but I chalk that up to the lack of experience. I feel I can use that excuse right now because the season is still young, but you can't discount the effort our there with these guys.

    Moving forward, what do you guys think needs to be done? I'm not looking for "Fire Jay" or "Trade Andrea for Mike Sweetney" answers, but more of are there things that we can do like tweaking the line-up or getting more from players who haven't been given an opportunity type of answers.

    Colangelo isn't going to have the ability to pull of some amazing trade to make us contenders any time soon, so we're going to have the make the most of what we have right now.

    In the meantime, let us know how you feel so far after the first couple weeks?
    I too am excited. We are no longer Bosh-centric and that is a massive plus. Here are my suggested tweaks (this may garner anger but what the heck):

    1. Calderon back to the line-up. Clearly the scoring difficulties needs to be addressed. We're falling behind in too many first quarters to date. The Raps' defence depends on how well they score. If they don't score, their defensive success is affected (this is a team that dwells on misses as seen from their transition defence).

    2. Given Calderon's relationship with Johnson, he should start as well. This is by no means a knock on Reggie but he needs to come off the bench (the team is burning him out). We need Johnson for interior scoring (since Bargs is allergic down low). Too many teams are ignoring Reggie as a scoring option. Both him and Jack is required for energy purposes on the second unit.

    3. Weems need to start. Kleiza is being asked too much to start. His mobility is not as great (Batum pretty much exposed him for that). Again, not a knock on Kleiza but he is a small 4 not a pure SF. As a member of the second unit, he can be scoring option # 1. Weems is more mobile and can stretch the floor as well.

    Here's my tweaked line-up. Also, I think they're team defense is improving.

    PG - Calderon
    SG - Derozan
    SF - Weems
    PF - Johnson
    C - Bargnani

    PS> I'm not a Young Ones fan but given we're 1-5, we gotta try this line-up.
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    The Raps need to stay the course and stick to the plan: Play-out the season and finish with a bottom-3 record.

    The goal this season isn't about winning. It's about talent evaluation and obtaining of a top draft pick. We need to see what we truly have in Weems, Bargs, Wright, DeRozan and Johnson.

    The expectations aren't very high, but neither is the overall quality of the talent on the team.

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    I'm really not disappointed at all about the record. It's roughly what I thought it would be. The team is in a rebuild year no matter what Colangelo is trying to spin it as. I'm used to watching these sorts of Raptors campaigns because sadly enough the majority have been like this. If we approach the season with the mindset of having zero expectations in terms of win percentage and focus more so on the development of key players, like DeMar and Ed, then I think we will get a lot more enjoyment out of the season than grief. It is what it is and I'm gald we're into it now and people are starting to see this.

    Firing Jay is pointless right now. Who is gonna replace him? Another rookie head coach? They should treat Jay how they should have treated Sam Mitchell. That being, he's not delivering as desired but he's be best bad choice out there and as such should be kept until a good option is found to be available.

    I think they should trade Reggie at a high and get developmental pieces for him. They need to move Banks in the same way and land pieces from a seller with the TPE.
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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    I'm really not disappointed at all about the record. It's roughly what I thought it would be. The team is in a rebuild year no matter what Colangelo is trying to spin it as. I'm used to watching these sorts of Raptors campaigns because sadly enough the majority have been like this. If we approach the season with the mindset of having zero expectations in terms of win percentage and focus more so on the development of key players, like DeMar and Ed, then I think we will get a lot more enjoyment out of the season than grief. It is what it is and I'm gald we're into it now and people are starting to see this.

    Firing Jay is pointless right now. Who is gonna replace him? Another rookie head coach? They should treat Jay how they should have treated Sam Mitchell. That being, he's not delivering as desired but he's be best bad choice out there and as such should be kept until a good option is found to be available.

    I think they should trade Reggie at a high and get developmental pieces for him. They need to move Banks in the same way and land pieces from a seller with the TPE.
    You have to expect there being at least 4-6 playoff teams that will be eager to add Reggie Evans before the trade deadline. That kind of market demand will surely command the acquisition of a decent prospect and a first round pick.

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    We should trade Reggie, Barbosa and Jack/Calderon to a play-off team for some youth. Play-off teams will love love all three off the bench, especially Barbosa.

    One thing I have to say is that when Jack is having a bad night (bad shot selection, turnovers, not seeing the offense) you put Jose on ASAP.

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    Quote LBF wrote: View Post
    i haven't watched a full game yet and don't have sportsnet one so haven't watched many, and to be honest i haven't really cared i was pissed when i heard the announcement of sportsnet one hosting raptors game but i juist haven't cared.

    nobody cares about this season there is no hype, everyone that was judging them has had them live up to expectations.
    I'm with ya 100%. Its pretty deflating when I haven't been able to watch a single Raptors game because I can't afford sportsnet one or tsn2. I guess the big wigs don't care about the fans and only about money. Way to go Raptors franchise, I didn't think it was possible for you to fuck the fans over more then we've already been fucked over.

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    www.atdhe.net is where to go to watch Raptors games if you don't have the cable channels. There are probably other places, but that's a good one.

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    I think they should trade Reggie at a high and get developmental pieces for him. They need to move Banks in the same way and land pieces from a seller with the TPE.
    I fully agree with that.

    1) Get a big man coach and see if you can finally get some low post moves for Amir and AB and try to evaluate their real potentials.

    2) Play Weems and DD and focus on their defence. Try to encourage the good defensive habits in them.

    3) Play Evans as much as possible to raise his value and trade him for some draft picks. This will also allow yo to give alot more minutes to Davis when he is back.

    4) Allow Barbosa to have his surgery in a month or two.

    5) Give Playing time to Banks. There will be play off teams who like to have a defensive back up point guard who can shoot 3. Maybe you can get some picks for hs contract as well.

    6) Play Wright and see what is there !! Why did you trade for him in the first place and ...

    7) Try to move Jose or Jack. Neither of these guys should be your starting PG next season.

    8) Work with AB on defense, work with AB on defense, work with AB on defense and ....


    This team will finish bottom 5 in this year anyway.

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    I know you don't want any trade Bargs scenarios but the reality is, he has to go. ( how about for O.J. Mayo and Darrel Arthur)

    Give Davis some burn to develop. Same for Alabi. Trade Jose or Jack and use either Barbosa or Kleiza at P.G. along with Banks to back-up the other. (how about trade Jack for Rudy Fernandez)

    Give Demar, Amir, Sonny, Wright time to develop. If they don't consistently show improvement than trade them next summer.

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    Teach Jay about matchups... he seems to go into most games with a set line-up in mind and appears to be reluctant to change things up AND worst of all when he does find a line-up that is working, he inexplicably switches 3 or 4 players out, and the other team immediately goes on a run

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    Triano said he will keep the hot hands in the games but he has not been doing that. I feel that we could have been 5-1 or even 6-0 with a good coach putting the right combination of players down the road. Why do we use up our pics or trade for someone if we are not going to use them? Wright and Dorsey seems like they can add something to the game. Banks should be given the chance to play and prove himself for the same amount of time as Jack and Calderon is getting.

    Most teams have one point PG but no, not Toronto. Haven't had one for as many years now. I blame Triano for being too soft. Someone's not play or doing what you ask him to do, take him out the game and let someone else try. That's the way to put a fire under their A$$es.

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    www.atdhe.net is where to go to watch Raptors games if you don't have the cable channels. There are probably other places, but that's a good one.
    The Sports Centre Cafe for RFF is another place. The only games I've watch so far this season are the Friday night ones - the only ones worth "watching".

    ATDHE is the best stream link for Raps games.

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    How about cutting down on the number of turn-overs and I think the Raptors could do much better and maybe even come through with a victory. You can't keep giving up 21 turnovers a game against good teams and expect to win a game. Against a poor team maybe you might scrape through with a victory but not against a team like L.A or Utah or Portland. Players are not playing that badly but the turnovers are the killers. Just think 5 less turnovers againt L.A. could have meant a victory instead of a lose.

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    Demar had one ugly game last night. He needs to figure out how to get the defensive advantage against his match-up. Its rare to see him take it on the numbers to draw a charge. I do think that when given time he'll start to pick up new facets of his game.

    Another thing that's been bothering me is when last game vs the blazers. Demar kept turning the ball over because he was rushing his offence. He definately needs to pick up a new go to move, because a spin move can be risky.

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    i am happy we are losing brings us closer to a top draft pick, there are some very good hoopsters in next years draft

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    - improve the on-court strategy, via a better definition of offensive hierarchy and flexible attitude taking advantage of contingent in-game situations

    - start Jose if the current trend (JJ) remains the same

    - start somebody else (problem is who) but Kleiza, if he doesn't get any better soon (still the Worlds effect?)

    - better feeds to Bargs in the post (that is, Bargs has to improve gaining deep position, ball handlers have to improve delivering it), right now it's often too high to be effective
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    I don't know if kleiza is injured or something but he is not playing well he should be benched and play banks and wright more.

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