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    Default Dorsey or Evans?

    Dorsey looked pretty good tonight.

    11 rebounds and 3 steals in 16 minutes

    It seems to me that his team defense is better than Reggie's

    He moves better, he is stronger and younger.

    Everyone knows what I think.

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    Quote Buddahfan wrote: View Post
    Dorsey looked pretty good tonight.

    11 rebounds and 3 steals in 16 minutes

    It seems to me that his team defense is better than Reggie's

    He moves better, he is stronger and younger.

    Everyone knows what I think.

    Its Joey time

    P.S. No he should not start.
    I don't care much on who plays as long as Amir starts, the guy is starting to change people's opinion, good signing after all.

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    They are both playing pretty well, I think Evans should be traded while his value is high since we can have Dorsey fill his minutes. It's the intangibles that set Evans apart I hear he is pretty vocal in the locker room and his intensity that he brings every night is crazy.

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    They are both playing pretty well, I think Evans should be traded while his value is high since we can have Dorsey fill his minutes. It's the intangibles that set Evans apart I hear he is pretty vocal in the locker room and his intensity that he brings every night is crazy.
    I like having Reggie for the leadership and at the moment I think that makes him valuable enough to keep unless you get a really good offer. Dorsey is already better than Reggie on offense and I think he can be very successful playing the role of the hard nosed offensive rebounder that Reggie has played for us. I think Reggie should try and take him under his wing in terms of the aggressive style he uses.
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    I like having Reggie for the leadership and at the moment I think that makes him valuable enough to keep unless you get a really good offer. Dorsey is already better than Reggie on offense and I think he can be very successful playing the role of the hard nosed offensive rebounder that Reggie has played for us. I think Reggie should try and take him under his wing in terms of the aggressive style he uses.
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    They are both playing pretty well, I think Evans should be traded while his value is high since we can have Dorsey fill his minutes. It's the intangibles that set Evans apart I hear he is pretty vocal in the locker room and his intensity that he brings every night is crazy.
    Honestly, I rather keep Evans just so this team shows up mentally more often.

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    I like Dorsey, don't get me wrong. But Reggie's rebounding is simply too good to compromise for a little bit of offense. We don't need to score. We need to end opponents' possessions to one shot, and gain second possessions on our own. Reggie's Total Rebounding Rate this season is much, MUCH higher than any other player in the league's. He's also been great for steals.

    Dorsey needs to lose a bit of weight to become more nimble, too. He's a little stiff when moving out there. Might just be the way he is, but I'm convinced he can be quicker.
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    Quote Introcollapse wrote: View Post
    I like Dorsey, don't get me wrong. But Reggie's rebounding is simply too good to compromise for a little bit of offense. We don't need to score. We need to end opponents' possessions to one shot, and gain second possessions on our own. Reggie's Total Rebounding Rate this season is much, MUCH higher than any other player in the league's. He's also been great for steals.

    Dorsey needs to lose a bit of weight to become more nimble, too. He's a little stiff when moving out there. Might just be the way he is, but I'm convinced he can be quicker.
    I disagree. Dorsey and Johnson are just as good of rebounders as Reggie is. But that is not the issue, when we go on the other end we play 4 on 5 which hurts us a lot. Check out the difference when we put 2 offensively capable big men on the court...

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    I disagree. Dorsey and Johnson are just as good of rebounders as Reggie is. But that is not the issue, when we go on the other end we play 4 on 5 which hurts us a lot. Check out the difference when we put 2 offensively capable big men on the court...
    Not even close. Reggie's head and shoulders a better rebounder. Check it out:

    Per36:
    Reggie Evans 15.2 rebounds
    Dorsey 17.5
    Amir 9.6

    But don't let that fool you. Dorsey's sample size is very small. So let's look at total rebounding rate.

    Reggie 25.7 (highest in the entire league, Kevin Love is a distant second at 25.1, even with his 20+ and 31 rebound games)
    Dorsey 21.2
    Amir 17.4

    It's no contest. At all. Reggie is a MUCH better rebounder.

    And again, we have so much scoring on this team that I can live without Reggie's scoring. He's still a great passer, great at setting screens...

    Come on, bro. I know you're all for the young and building movement, but just because Reggie's old doesn't mean you should hate on him.
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    Quote JoePanini wrote: View Post
    I disagree. Dorsey and Johnson are just as good of rebounders as Reggie is. But that is not the issue, when we go on the other end we play 4 on 5 which hurts us a lot. Check out the difference when we put 2 offensively capable big men on the court...
    Dorsey, yes.

    Amir, no.

    Who would I rather on the floor? Dorsey or Amir.

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    Quote Introcollapse wrote: View Post
    I like Dorsey, don't get me wrong. But Reggie's rebounding is simply too good to compromise for a little bit of offense. We don't need to score. We need to end opponents' possessions to one shot, and gain second possessions on our own. Reggie's Total Rebounding Rate this season is much, MUCH higher than any other player in the league's. He's also been great for steals.

    Dorsey needs to lose a bit of weight to become more nimble, too. He's a little stiff when moving out there. Might just be the way he is, but I'm convinced he can be quicker.
    Don't tell me you want to keep Evans over Dorsey because of quickness. That's just stupid. The only significant edge Reggie has on Dorsey is intensity - he brings it every night. Don't get me wrong, that counts for a lot, but Dorsey is as good or better at every other facet of the game (except passing but that's not a meaningful point between these two guys).

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    They are both playing pretty well, I think Evans should be traded while his value is high since we can have Dorsey fill his minutes. It's the intangibles that set Evans apart I hear he is pretty vocal in the locker room and his intensity that he brings every night is crazy.
    Being vocal is often not a good thing.

    A lot of people are vocal and obnoxious as a result of it.

    Watching him give directions on the court the way he does, is in my opinion pretty obnoxious.

    The guy has no business trying to boss these other guys around. He is like the neighborhood bully who goes around bullying everyone just because they are bigger. Evans has never accomplished anything in his long NBA career to indicate that he has the basketball IQ to play traffic cop, homeroom monitor and just out right bully.

    I have seen a few times where Evans would go over to one of his teammates on the court raise his finger shake it at them and start yapping. The recipient of this obnoxious behavior just turned his back and walked away.

    I have seen Kobe talk to fellow teammates if he sees something wrong many times over the years. He does it the right way, almost always quietly and on the bench during time outs or when he and the teammate are on the bench during the game.

    Sorry Raptors fans, I just think Dorsey would contribute more to the Raptors winning than Evans.

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    I don't think Reggie should be traded, unless a great deal comes up and we get a true starting PG in return. He plays within himself and knows his role on and off the court. He's a leader and his energy is a great influence on the YGZ.

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    Trade Evans when value is high. His contract is up this year and getting a draft pick for him works well. The intangible is important with the energy and potential leadership, but even with him the team has come out flat at times so he is not the messiah of motivation.

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    Isn't Davis a good rebounder/shot blocker as well? So when he gets back are we going to be bogged down with people under the basket looking for rebounds (not that it is ever a BAD thing). What I mean to say is that if we traded Reggie, we would have someone coming in who is capable of getting rebounds also. As was said "buy low, sell high". I just hope it wouldn't be a lateral move. I would like to see some more put back opportunities and Reggie has hands made of sand so that never works out well. Dorsey is a little better offensively and might not be so terrible around the basket. Any chance we trade him to a contender for a, supposed, late first rounder? I think that would give us three first rounders and a second this year...I think... I like Reggie and his hustle and I really don't think he comes off as "obnoxious". Maybe he falls into the "those who can't, teach" column, so he just yaps a lot from that perspective.

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    + 1. I really like Joey. I guess Evans can go for the right price. I'm just afraid that as soon as the injured guys come back from injuries, he'll be buried deep in the bench again. Another trade needs to happen soon so that the team can continue to gel with the new members.
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    Dorsey's a better defender, and shouldn't be an disturbingly horrible offensive player despite his very low usage unlike Evans. Evans should have some decent trade value now, BC should be shopping him.

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    Heres an idea, instead of automatically jumping to the conclusion of trading one of them right now, how about (wait for it) we keep them both. I know right, very radical idea, but it might just work. People, people, DONT TRADE EVERYTHING AWAY JUST FOR THE SAKE OF DOING SOMETHING!

    Ahh that annoys me too much.

    Two players play well. What do we auto matically go to? Trade!

    Keep em both. Make a decision at the trade deadline. Afraid Reggies wealth will go away? Piss off, were putting all the trust into a kid who had a solid 16 mins. Lets see where the dorsey train goes shall we?

    Be rational you trade happy people haha.

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    Quote Red and White wrote: View Post
    Heres an idea, instead of automatically jumping to the conclusion of trading one of them right now, how about (wait for it) we keep them both. I know right, very radical idea, but it might just work. People, people, DONT TRADE EVERYTHING AWAY JUST FOR THE SAKE OF DOING SOMETHING!
    getting something for Reggie is close to getting something for nothing. We'll replace his minutes with Dorsey and Davis and get something for it. By something, I mean something useful to us, not another $5M veteran, that would be useless to us and likely a deal that's at best even. A pick, any pick, would be a good deal.

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    Quote Brain Colangelo wrote: View Post
    getting something for Reggie is close to getting something for nothing. We'll replace his minutes with Dorsey and Davis and get something for it. By something, I mean something useful to us, not another $5M veteran, that would be useless to us and likely a deal that's at best even. A pick, any pick, would be a good deal.
    Wait for it, believe me. Its stupid to make decisions now. 3 wins into the season, lets watch the team grow instead of always trying to get better players. Yes it could work, but the chances of it working go up when we wait.

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