also you say how bc drafted davis, a guy that wont have an immediate impact.... well what do you expect from a 13th pick ?
Last edited by Legalize-It; Fri Nov 19th, 2010 at 01:30 PM.
Colangelo drafted Hibbert for Indiana because the O'Neal trade couldn't go through until July.
And David Andersen was traded for a CONDITIONAL 2nd round pick whose conditions will most likely never have been met.
I really care very little about the trading of 2nd round picks because they are so easily acquired. The Raptors didn't have one in the last draft but were easily able to get the player the wanted in the second round.
And why do you think Colangelo will use the TPE on some high priced veteran that will take the team away from rebuilding? He's never been in a situation quite like this one, so predicting what he will do is impossible.
And according to you in the Beasley thread, Colangelo could have taken Beasley, which may or may not be true. And everything I've read said that Colangelo was insistent on getting draft picks back wherever Bosh went, probably because Colangelo knew he would have to rebuild.
I don't really understand what you're trying to argue here. No one is denying the strategy before Bosh left was to try and win immediately, which meant trading away a couple of draft picks for veteran help. But that is an entirely different situation than the Raptors are presently in. Colangelo now seems to want to collect first round picks because he's now in rebuilding mode, which can be seen in an earlier post I made.
As far as I can tell, you are just trying to argue for the sake of arguing, because you don't have any clear argument that you are trying to put forth other than "you're wrong".
i think its more likely for a team to trade away their stars during the season... they see how it goes and if by january the playoffs are out of reach, they will usually will be looking to dump some players...
take the 76ers for example... they didnt trade iggy before the season started.... they got a free look at how the team is doing for 2-3 months and if by january they are close to the bottom of the conference, they will move him..
this is just an example...
same with melo.
last season we saw kevin martin, tracy mcgrady, antawn jamison, caron butler, stepehn jackson...etc traded DURING THE SEASON by teams who decided to go in a different direction...
Besides, I still don't understand the point of your argument. Just because players WILL be available, doesn't mean they will be traded for by Colangelo.
tim you said BC doesnt have a history of trading away draft picks... you said nathan jawai was the only one...
when in fact he traded the 1st round pick which gave the pacers roy hibbert.
he then in the same year traded away j.o. for marion and gave miami a 1st round pick in that trade too.
what if bosh decided to sign with any team other than miami... that 1st round pick would NOT BE COMING BACK...
so right there i have proved that BC has traded away 1st round picks...
so what part of my prediction do you have a problem with... everything i have predicted is based on BC's past...
^ BC is notorious for trading away picks...you cant even argue it since he been here in 2 drafts we havent had a pick,what does that tell you ? lol
They've been clearing changing their focus on court from strictly offense to more of a balance. I think a lot of it has to do with P.J. being in town and there being a lot of young impressionable and highly athletic players on roster.
i think rebuild means getting a young core of players and allowing them to grow and develop together.
i think you think rebuild means signing free agents, trades, draft picks, and any other way you can exchange players from last year's team to this years.
no one knows for sure which way is better.
And if Bosh had not gone to Miami, the Raptors probably wouldn't NEED the draft pick like they do now. If Bosh had re-signed, the last thing they'd need is yet another young player. They have quite a number now.
And your logic is flawed if you are basing your prediction on Colangelo's past, as I have already stated...
You seem to continue to make points which I have already disputed, yet don't actually try and counter them.When Bosh was a Raptor, the focus was on trying to win now, which meant signing and trading for veterans. Now that he's gone, the focus is on retooling/rebuilding.
Here is what we know about Colangelo:
- He will trade lower first round picks if he feels it will help the team take the next step. (Since the Raptors have no hope of making the playoffs, they won't have a lower first round pick to trade)
- He is willing to trade talent for expiring contracts in order to sign a free agent. (The Raptors will already have cap room, so it doesn't apply)
- He will sign free agents in an attempt to improve the team. (The Raptors already signed 25 year old Kleiza)
- He has never been a position where he was in charge of a team without one possible All-Star. In other words, he's never been in the position he's been in before, so you can't predict how a person is going to behave in a situation they've never been in.
Retooling is what I consider what they did last year when they signed Turkoglu and Jack and made a few trades. They were still trying to build around Bosh, but just trying to do it differently.
Again, though, who really cares. It's semantics.
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