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    From his latest column:

    "(Bryan) Colangelo had a choice between paying Beasley $11 million for two years (with a qualifying offer of $8.1 million in 2012-13) or signing Amir Johnson for $34 million for five years ... and chose Johnson!? Did he suffer a head injury right before the 2006 draft and not tell us? I'm dumping Kahn for Colangelo as this season's GM Whipping Boy. He didn't just ruin the Raptors these past four years; he shoved them down the stairs, beat them to death with a baseball bat and buried them in a sanitation site."

    (I would add giving $18 Million to Klieza instead of taking Beasley is not exactly a stroke of genius either)

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    think both you and the Sports Guy are vastly overvaluing Beasley. He's a volume scorer that does little else. Amir Johnson, despite his flaws, is a much better piece on a winning team than Beasley, who would have quite a bit of trouble fitting in on a contender where he was not the leading scorer. Much like he did in Miami. Beasley is the perfect guy for a team that doesn't want to win.

    And you're judging Kleiza WAY too early. I'm pretty sure he's going to be easily worth his contract in the long run.
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    simmons doesnt know how good our weed is in toronto.... we'd destroy beasley here.

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    Wow. Them's some strong words! I don't exactly disagree either....
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    Bill Simmons is an idiot i have made that known many times but hes right in this instance..he missed the boat on beasley...and as much as i do like Amir Johnson Beas is better than both him and Kleiza...and coulda been had for less money and very little investment in terms of contract....

    Sorry but the Kleiza signing was shitty and it will look shitty as we get into years 2 and 3 and he still plays like a 6th man...cuz dumn dum duuuuum THATS what he IS...

    and the whole thing about Beas needing to play in certain cities because of his vices is just things dumbass fans say.....His issues are so overstated and corny its not even funny...

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    We need Amir more then we need Beastly. This team has enough offense its out D that's the prob and Beasley isn't the answer to that.

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    Beasley would be our best player

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    Quote Trife76 wrote: View Post
    Beasley would be our best player
    No he wouldn't. There is no way in hell he'd be getting 20+ shot attempts on the Raptors.

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    Yes he would...he is scoring 30 plus and making GW shots...he'd be our best most talented player and would get the ball in his hands like he does in Minny.....

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    So your telling me Bargs gets his 20 shots but Beasley couldnt on this team ?

    lol

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    I love Simmons schtick but Bill loves poking sticks in our ribs for kicks (cause Raptor nation floods the net and he knows it). Beasley is Bargs with substance issues...he would crumble in a market like TO. Both Amir and Kleiza will earn their contracts and there is no fear of them going awol or going Easy Rider side to side with Delonte West.
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    Quote Raptoronto wrote: View Post
    I love Simmons schtick but Bill loves poking sticks in our ribs for kicks (cause Raptor nation floods the net and he knows it). Beasley is Bargs with substance issues...he would crumble in a market like TO. Both Amir and Kleiza will earn their contracts and there is no fear of them going awol or going Easy Rider side to side with Delonte West.
    You buy into the espn non sense too much...

    Beasley is far better than Andrea...Why would Beasley crumble in a market like TO ?
    This isnt a hot baksetball market yet he would crumble esp on a 20 win team ?

    So you make a kneejerk post to Beas crumbling even tho he is playing great so far AND in the same argument you blindly assume Kleiza will "earn" his contract even tho he's looked terrible so far ?

    Terrible post

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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    think both you and the Sports Guy are vastly overvaluing Beasley. He's a volume scorer that does little else. Amir Johnson, despite his flaws, is a much better piece on a winning team than Beasley, who would have quite a bit of trouble fitting in on a contender where he was not the leading scorer. Much like he did in Miami. Beasley is the perfect guy for a team that doesn't want to win.

    And you're judging Kleiza WAY too early. I'm pretty sure he's going to be easily worth his contract in the long run.
    why does kleiza get the benefit that he will improve in the long run and beasley doesnt ?

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    beasley is a headcase... period

    ya, he would be the most talented player on the raps if they got him.

    talent isnt the issue.

    this city would eat him up and spit him out. the vices here are ridiculous if you have the capabilities or desire to partake... and beasley has shown that he, in fact, is a person with those desires

    his situation in minny is ideal for him.. he has a franchise (and a GM) that is committed in helping his personal growth, and an enviroment without as many temptations as toronto has

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    http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angele...k11picks/part1

    The above is the link to the entire article.

    For the time being, I am a big supporter of BC - for the time being. Essentially, he has this year and next offseason to work some magic on the trade, draft, and free agency front. I am a firm believer this team does not need anymore role players or good players off the bench. They have that. Look at what is coming back next year as of now (and hopefully 1 or both PG's will be moved). What the Raptors need now are 2 or 3 great players - hopefully one of the guys becomes a great player and add another couple some other way.

    With that said, the issue I have with the article is the title: "NBA Retro Review".

    IF he was talking in July about how great Beasley was going to be this season ,I'd give him some credibility. But he is basing this on hindsight and 5 games. He should not be calling out BC alone, every other GM had the opportunity to get him but they chose not to. The issues for this are well known and not needed to be addressed yet again.

    Regardless of hindsight, I do not think it is fair to judge not taking Beasley until the TPE is used or, if not used, what the resulting cap space yields around draft time or next summer.

    Also, Simmons is reporting the Amir deal as it was originally reported at 5/$34. It is not. The true numbers are closing to 5/$29. Also, the guy is 23 years old, shoots 62%FG, 92%FT, rebounds, and hustles. IMO he is a great big off the bench. The reality is Amir was unrestricted as well - BC did not have the luxury of matching. Despite all this, I do think he overpaid by $1M per season.

    The Kleiza deal is not bad either (4/$18). In the long term, he will be a bench player as well and again, he is a great guy to have coming off the bench.

    Considering the average NBA salary is $5.85M per season as of 2009/10, the real question becomes: are Kleiza and Johnson average NBA players? I think so - maybe a little better but not much.

    I am VERY happy for Beasley but the reality is people could have just as easily been saying, "Kahn was stupid for taking Beasley, he should have known better." I hope they don't, but in time they still might.

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    Quote Legalize-It wrote: View Post
    why does kleiza get the benefit that he will improve in the long run and beasley doesnt ?
    Because they dont like Beasley and do like kleiza..thats why this argument lacks any logic....

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angele...k11picks/part1

    The above is the link to the entire article.

    For the time being, I am a big supporter of BC - for the time being. Essentially, he has this year and next offseason to work some magic on the trade, draft, and free agency front. I am a firm believer this team does not need anymore role players or good players off the bench. They have that. Look at what is coming back next year as of now (and hopefully 1 or both PG's will be moved). What the Raptors need now are 2 or 3 great players - hopefully one of the guys becomes a great player and add another couple some other way.

    With that said, the issue I have with the article is the title: "NBA Retro Review".

    IF he was talking in July about how great Beasley was going to be this season ,I'd give him some credibility. But he is basing this on hindsight and 5 games. He should not be calling out BC alone, every other GM had the opportunity to get him but they chose not to. The issues for this are well known and not needed to be addressed yet again.

    Regardless of hindsight, I do not think it is fair to judge not taking Beasley until the TPE is used or, if not used, what the resulting cap space yields around draft time or next summer.

    Also, Simmons is reporting the Amir deal as it was originally reported at 5/$34. It is not. The true numbers are closing to 5/$29. Also, the guy is 23 years old, shoots 62%FG, 92%FT, rebounds, and hustles. IMO he is a great big off the bench. The reality is Amir was unrestricted as well - BC did not have the luxury of matching. Despite all this, I do think he overpaid by $1M per season.

    The Kleiza deal is not bad either (4/$18). In the long term, he will be a bench player as well and again, he is a great guy to have coming off the bench.

    Considering the average NBA salary is $5.85M per season as of 2009/10, the real question becomes: are Kleiza and Johnson average NBA players? I think so - maybe a little better but not much.

    I am VERY happy for Beasley but the reality is people could have just as easily been saying, "Kahn was stupid for taking Beasley, he should have known better." I hope they don't, but in time they still might.
    this is the problem... it's very hard to "work some magic" and all of a sudden be agood team.
    it takes time... some people on this board still think a gm can just make a few phone calls and the team is playing in the nba finals...

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    Quote heinz57 wrote: View Post
    beasley is a headcase... period

    ya, he would be the most talented player on the raps if they got him.

    talent isnt the issue.

    this city would eat him up and spit him out. the vices here are ridiculous if you have the capabilities or desire to partake... and beasley has shown that he, in fact, is a person with those desires

    his situation in minny is ideal for him.. he has a franchise (and a GM) that is committed in helping his personal growth, and an enviroment without as many temptations as toronto has
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    This whole post is non sense....THIS city would eat him up ? lol
    He can get anything in Minneapolis that he can get here....have you been to Minny ? if not pls stop talking about things you dont know anything about....

    What has he shown ? That a young player who hasnt matured yet can get into trouble,newsflash he isnt the first yet for some reason he is the standard on this board for this amzing new phenomenon....Guess what as he matures and gets older like most players do he'll figure it out......but dont exaggerate how bad his situation was and how bad it is....

    lol @ the temptations in Toronto being a players downfall in the NBA

    such non sense....

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    Quote Legalize-It wrote: View Post
    this is the problem... it's very hard to "work some magic" and all of a sudden be agood team.
    it takes time... some people on this board still think a gm can just make a few phone calls and the team is playing in the nba finals...
    Not I said the fly. Not me said the bee.

    You are correct it is very hard to "work some magic". But BC has done it twice before (once for TOR and once for PHX) - 3 times if you are willing to count the year Stoudemire played only 3 games yet they still won 54 - so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt - for now.

    I have no illusions of the Raptors playing in the NBA finals next year or possibly the year after. But a competitive playoff team is not out of the question and that is what I'm looking for in the next season or two. This year I hope they just work, improve the guys already here and will be next year, and get a top 3 draft pick.

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    Quote Legalize-It wrote: View Post
    why does kleiza get the benefit that he will improve in the long run and beasley doesnt ?
    Because Kleiza has proven he can be a roll player on a good team. Beasley hasn't. Beasley looks good right now because he is the main scorer on a bad team. If the talent level around him increased, he would be asked to shoot less. The less he shoots, the less value he has. His only real value is as a volume shooter. He has never shown an ability to do the little things to help a team win, which is the main reason Riley got rid of him.

    Another reason I would choose Kleiza over Beasley is because if Beasley ends up averaging 20+ for the season, his value will be overinflated and you'll end up overpaying him. I'd rather pay Kleiza what he is making now, knowing that I can still use him when the team improves, than pay Beasley twice as much even though his value to the team will decrease as the team (hopefully) improves.

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    Because they dont like Beasley and do like kleiza..thats why this argument lacks any logic....
    Perhaps next time, instead of throwing out a blanket insult because you disagree, you try and take the time to find out the reasons behind someone's argument. Or is that simply too difficult?
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