Win or stats

[ab7]

After posting a thread about rebounding i have a question to ask my fellow fansss?


Whats more important Bargnani averaging a 24 and 10 seaon (like the previous franchise player) no play off or

averaging 25 and 5 and make them

[heinz57]

if they're winning, i'll take a 10 & 2 from him, and not whine about it at all.

[Multipaul]

Wins baby, wins.

We should've got rid of that stat padder Bosh along time ago and got back some valuable pieces for him.

All fans wanna see a winning team. I'm sure the Clippers' fans wouldnt mind trading stat-man Blake Griffin in exchange for making it to basketball in May.

[Matt52]

Winning cures all ills.

Toronto wins, players will come.

Toronto wins, the calls to move the franchise or contract the franchise stops.

Toronto wins, Bargnani can start the healing healing process of the whipping wounds.

[Tim W.]

I didn't realize it was a choice between one or the other.

[Tim W.]

Toronto wins, the calls to move the franchise or contract the franchise stops.

Huh? What calls are there to move or contract one of the more financially successful franchises in the league, in one of the most desirable markets in the league?

I'm sorry to be harsh here, but this is an incredibly ignorant comment made with obviously zero information.

[sleepz]

Wins baby, wins.

We should've got rid of that stat padder Bosh along time ago and got back some valuable pieces for him.

All fans wanna see a winning team. I'm sure the Clippers' fans wouldnt mind trading stat-man Blake Griffin in exchange for making it to basketball in May.

I'm curious.....how can a player "pad" scoring stats if they don't take a lot of shots?

[ab7]

I didn't realize it was a choice between one or the other.

Well when we are winnig but i see people whining about a 2 rebound game from bargs i find it really negative and un nessessary if we lose fine if we win please......

[Maleko]

I didn't realize it was a choice between one or the other.

I'm with you Tim. It is all about effort. Winners find a way to win regardless of stats and it is because of effort! This has to include defines too.

[TheGloveinRapsUniform]

Huh? What calls are there to move or contract one of the more financially successful franchises in the league, in one of the most desirable markets in the league?

I'm sorry to be harsh here, but this is an incredibly ignorant comment made with obviously zero information.

I think what he's saying is the more we lose, the more fans are going to get less interested in the sport, less attendance, less profits, more calls to move the team somewhere. Not that its going to happen overnight, but it could in the long run.

[TheGloveinRapsUniform]

I'm curious.....how can a player "pad" scoring stats if they don't take a lot of shots?

actually, bosh took a lot of shots last year, if you dont count the games where they were blown out and he sat down early, or when they blew out a team and he sat early, youd probably see his stats up to 23-25 shots per game and for me thats a lot.

However, its a 50/50 thing, because all the games he attempted more than 20 shots, half of which they won, and half they lost.

[TheGloveinRapsUniform]

if they're winning, i'll take a 10 & 2 from him, and not whine about it at all.

exactly. i think what people still fail to see is that we are the only ones, the fans, who are putting the franchise player label on bargnani. he said it himself in an arena link interview after the celtics game, they dont have superstars like garnett, allen and pierce but they just play hard. ive surrendered to the fact that andrea is not yet capable of being our franchise player but really, everybody should not care about who it should be, as long as theyre winning, and working on a plan (cap space, youth movement) leading to success in the future.

[RaptorDan]

Win or lose, good stats or bad, I just want to see some entertaining games, solid effort put in by the team and to see young players start to develop their game and make progress. And sweet Jesus, not another thread about Bargnani's rebounding.

[LBF]

After posting a thread about rebounding i have a question to ask my fellow fansss?


Whats more important Bargnani averaging a 24 and 10 seaon (like the previous franchise player) no play off or

averaging 25 and 5 and make them

it's pretty obvious.

hedo turkoglu ignored when winning, when we weren't we tore him apart.

[sleepz]

actually, bosh took a lot of shots last year, if you dont count the games where they were blown out and he sat down early, or when they blew out a team and he sat early, youd probably see his stats up to 23-25 shots per game and for me thats a lot.

However, its a 50/50 thing, because all the games he attempted more than 20 shots, half of which they won, and half they lost.

I think he took roughly 16 shots a game. 2 more than Andrea last year and I believe less than Andrea is taking now. Is Andrea a stat padder because he's taking a lot more shots? I don't think he is.

Unless you're a volume shooter I never understood how you could be considered a 'stat padder'.

For rebounds, going to get the ball is going to get the ball. I don't believe in 'stealing' someone's rebounds. Is Reggie Evans a stat padder because he will fight to get the ball with any other player including his teammates? I don't think so.....he just has a greater desire to go get the ball.

[Matt52]

Huh? What calls are there to move or contract one of the more financially successful franchises in the league, in one of the most desirable markets in the league?

I'm sorry to be harsh here, but this is an incredibly ignorant comment made with obviously zero information.

No worries about the harshness.

I agree with everything you said. As soon as the issue of contraction came up a month ago all Leafs nuts on TSN.ca started going on about get rid of the Raptors they suck, this is hockey town, BC blows, etc. There were also plenty of American media (NYTimes or NYPost is hte one that stands out) that were talking about the Raptors should be moved.

Again, I agree with all you said. Those who talk about contraction in the same breath as the Raptors are beyond stunned - they are ignorant. Raptors are one of the best attendance franchises over the last 15 years despite few years with winning teams, 4th largest market, one of the higher valued franchises, and they turn a profit each year unlike Memphis and Bobcats to name just 2.

Here are some articles:

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.c...-negotiations/

http://www.sportsgrid.com/media/nba-...ontract-teams/

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-5...racted-2010-10

http://www.star-telegram.com/2010/11...-make-for.html

This was just a quick search of Google News with "raptors contraction". Notice they are all American media who also state Americans don't want to play for TOR.

I did not agree with this but the comment and thoughts are out there.

"I'm sorry to be harsh here, but this is an incredibly ignorant comment made with obviously zero information."
I never make a comment without being able to back it up. If I do make a comment without information I always throw in "IMO".

[heinz57]

Win or lose, good stats or bad, I just want to see some entertaining games, solid effort put in by the team and to see young players start to develop their game and make progress. And sweet Jesus, not another thread about Bargnani's rebounding.

right on, man.

good basketball, thats what its about. not good offseasons.. not good front offices.. not good player transactions... that stuff just confuses the important thing..

watching a good 48 minute game of ball.

[Tim W.]

No worries about the harshness.

I agree with everything you said. As soon as the issue of contraction came up a month ago all Leafs nuts on TSN.ca started going on about get rid of the Raptors they suck, this is hockey town, BC blows, etc. There were also plenty of American media (NYTimes or NYPost is hte one that stands out) that were talking about the Raptors should be moved.

Again, I agree with all you said. Those who talk about contraction in the same breath as the Raptors are beyond stunned - they are ignorant. Raptors are one of the best attendance franchises over the last 15 years despite few years with winning teams, 4th largest market, one of the higher valued franchises, and they turn a profit each year unlike Memphis and Bobcats to name just 2.

Here are some articles:

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.c...-negotiations/

http://www.sportsgrid.com/media/nba-...ontract-teams/

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-5...racted-2010-10

http://www.star-telegram.com/2010/11...-make-for.html

This was just a quick search of Google News with "raptors contraction". Notice they are all American media who also state Americans don't want to play for TOR.

I did not agree with this but the comment and thoughts are out there.

"I'm sorry to be harsh here, but this is an incredibly ignorant comment made with obviously zero information."
I never make a comment without being able to back it up. If I do make a comment without information I always throw in "IMO".

My apologies. I thought you meant that YOU thought that the team might move or contract. I wasn't aware that there had been so much discussion about the matter. It's incredibly ridiculous, as you no doubt agree.

[Matt52]

My apologies. I thought you meant that YOU thought that the team might move or contract. I wasn't aware that there had been so much discussion about the matter. It's incredibly ridiculous, as you no doubt agree.

No worries.

[Nine New Faces]

Did I miss a 10-game winning streak or something?

The team is NOT winning. Just because they recently won a few games doesn't mean the team is a success or that it will enjoy future success this season. If you think that because they recently beat Boston without Rondo that they've got a shot at the playoffs, you're delusional.

The team is starting Reggie freaking Evans to compensate for Bargnani's inability to rebound the ball, and therefor basically playing 4v5 on one side of the ball. Bargnani's inability to play help defense means they're playing 4v5 on the other side. The team isn't going to win consistently until every player on the floor contributes positively in multiple categories and minimizes the weaknesses of the unit rather than simply compensating for them with players equally flawed in other areas.

Fact is, the only specialists you find in the starting lineup of playoff teams are wing defenders that can hit the 3 and not turn the ball over, or big men that rebound, block shots and generally protect the paint. There's a very good reason for that.