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    Default Sonny Weems' is the future in Toronto

    This might be the best article I've ever read on Weems. And surprisingly there's no bashing of our city in this piece like most other articles I've read throughout the years. Thumbs up to the author for this one.

    http://beallsfinest.wordpress.com/20...ng-in-toronto/

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    if all i have to look forward to in the Raptors future is seeing weems throw up brick after brick i might just claw my eyes out....

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    Yeah, I think this "trio thing" is a little out of hand for sure. Let's see even one of them put together an impressive season first. They're friends and they like basketball, that's great, but what else?

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    Give it time, they're still young. No one is over 23-years old.

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    I'm willing to give time but it strikes me as odd that we keep dropping these huge future expectations on three guys who haven't done anything to deserve it yet. What about Bargnani, why isn't he the future? Or Ed Davis? He was as hyped a prospect as DeRozan was a year and a half ago. I think Bargnani and Davis certainly have more potential than Johnson or Weems and maybe more than DeRozan, hard to say.

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    i'd rather not tag somebody with being "the future" until well after they earn the tag of "being consistent"

    just enjoy the games, and worry about the future in the future, i say..

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    Interesting headline of Liston's new piece today...can someone be nicknamed Money who shoots like Weems (I paraphrase).

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    In all fairness, Weems is more consistent than DeRozan.

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    It's time to move either Derozan or Weems - essentially the same player - although Weems usually has a better jumper. As soon as Derozan strings together a few could games I would put him on the market.

    ... and yes I know he is young. Put there have been a boatload of young players who have come into the league and shown better shooting, better ball control, better defence, similar athleticism, and more importantly played with a little grit.

    Tired of Raptor fans settling, fans and the team have protected players for too long... "ohh just give him a few more years - he'll learn to play defense and rebound", ..." just wait - he has tons of potential" - bullshit - cut them loose.

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    Quote Young'Un wrote: View Post
    In all fairness, Weems is more consistent than DeRozan.
    Yeah but he's not more talented and he's two years older.

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    Weems played his first full season of basketball last year. He was bounced around after his stint in Denver, which he only played 12 games and was sent to the D-League. I'd rather have him than DeRozan in my opinion.

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    Quote Young'Un wrote: View Post
    In all fairness, Weems is more consistent than DeRozan.
    thats like saying Cat shit stinks worse then Dog shit...LOL

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    Quote Young'Un wrote: View Post
    Weems played his first full season of basketball last year. He was bounced around after his stint in Denver, which he only played 12 games and was sent to the D-League. I'd rather have him than DeRozan in my opinion.
    i dont disagree with you.. weems is probably my favourite player on the team

    but "the future"!?!?

    big words for a middle of the pack player on a bottom feeder team... just let him play, and dont have expectations, or else there's a good chance you'll get disappointed.

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    The article never stated anything about him being the future, just apart of it, and how he's finally getting some noticed and earning quality minutes. I put the future part on the headline.

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    If Weems was on the Lakers he would be struggling to fight minutes away from Luke Walton and Sasha Vujacic.

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    But he isn't on the Lakers now, is he?

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    If Weems was on the Lakers he would be struggling to fight minutes away from Luke Walton and Sasha Vujacic.

    if weems was with the lakers hed be sitting in the front row next to Jack

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    i think both have the potential to be good players, but they can never be elite players.
    elite players have that swagger, attitude. they command the ball, make plays and are not afraid to take risks.
    if you look at kobe, lebron, wade, they all have this "im the man" attitude, and some might think of it as negative but thats how they became great, you make other people see what you can do and not wait for them to give you a look.
    probably the best the these can achieve is a manu ginobli type player. not an elite player but can contribute.
    i used to think bargs is the same way, but Bargs seems to be finding his niche. Bad game or not, he knows he needs to get his shots, and i think thats the attitude these guys need to show.

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    Quote heinz57 wrote: View Post
    i'd rather not tag somebody with being "the future" until well after they earn the tag of "being consistent"

    just enjoy the games, and worry about the future in the future, i say..
    +1 - although yesterday was tough to enjoy.

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    Quote tbihis wrote: View Post
    i think both have the potential to be good players, but they can never be elite players.
    elite players have that swagger, attitude. they command the ball, make plays and are not afraid to take risks.
    if you look at kobe, lebron, wade, they all have this "im the man" attitude, and some might think of it as negative but thats how they became great, you make other people see what you can do and not wait for them to give you a look.
    probably the best the these can achieve is a manu ginobli type player. not an elite player but can contribute.
    i used to think bargs is the same way, but Bargs seems to be finding his niche. Bad game or not, he knows he needs to get his shots, and i think thats the attitude these guys need to show.
    Of those players, only LeBron came in to the league with 'the swagger' and backed it up.

    Kobe's 1st two year stats are below - they are hard to decipher but I bolded the points. He was 1 year younger than DeMar as a rookie. Plus Kobe had been around professional basketball his entire life with his Dad being a pro player.

    YR TM G GS MIN FG FG% 3P 3P% FT FT% STL BLK TO PF OFF DEF TOT AST PTS
    96-97 LAL 71 6 15.5 2.5-5.9 .417 0.7-1.9 .375 1.9-2.3 .819 0.70 0.30 1.6 1.4 0.7 1.2 1.9 1.3 7.6
    97-98 LAL 79 1 26.0 4.9-11.6 .428 0.9-2.8 .341 4.6-5.8 .794 0.90 0.50 2.0 2.3 1.0 2.1 3.1 2.5 15.4

    Wade had much better stats than DD but he also played 3 years of university ball and played his rookie year as a 22 year old. I'm not sure people realize Wade is turning 29 this year. To be honest I did not realize until this summer.

    03-04 MIA 61 56 34.9 6.1-13.1 .465 0.3-0.9 .302 3.8-5.1 .747 1.40 0.60 3.2 2.3 1.4 2.7 4.1 4.5 16.2

    The worst part of all this is as soon as DD and Weems put together a run the threads will be "future stars" again.

    With regards to expectations on players, the whole marketing scheme this year (and don't forget that is all it is) puts immense pressure on players and a possibility for them to get ahead of themselves with regards to where they are in terms of development.

    Two players suffering the same sort of fate, however both have much more talent, is DeMarcus Cousins and Tyreke Evans. Everything in SAC in relation to marketing is about those guys but neither is living up to the hype. Cousins reportedly has attitude/maturity issues and Evans is suffering a sophmore slump/most talented player getting doubled on a weak team.

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