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Thread: Which Position Do The Raptors Need To Upgrade The Most?

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    Default Which Position Do The Raptors Need To Upgrade The Most?

    Looking at the entire rotation which position do the Raptors need to upgrade the most? Keeping in mind that a number of the players are very young and inexperienced and should only continue to get better.

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    For the long term of the franchise, I would say PG and wings both need to be improved.

    This year's draft seems to be all about SF's and PG's. Wings:

    Perry Jones
    Terrence Jones
    Harrison Barnes
    Tyler Honeycutt
    Jordan Hamilton

    I would be for Terrence Jones.

    PG's.

    Irving
    Walker
    Knight

    Irving, please.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    For the long term of the franchise, I would say PG and wings both need to be improved.

    This year's draft seems to be all about SF's and PG's. Wings:

    Perry Jones
    Terrence Jones
    Harrison Barnes
    Tyler Honeycutt
    Jordan Hamilton

    I would be for Terrence Jones.

    PG's.

    Irving
    Walker
    Knight

    Irving, please.
    It seems to me as long as Triano doesn't screw up the current rotation by changing it the only way that BC will be able to draft any of the players that you mentioned is to trade up in the draft into the lottery or trade a player for a lottery pick.

    Not saying that might not happen; i..e trading into the lottery.

    We shall see.
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    Quote Buddahfan wrote: View Post
    It seems to me as long as Triano doesn't screw up the current rotation by changing it the only way that BC will be able to draft any of the players that you mentioned is to trade up in the draft into the lottery or trade a player for a lottery pick.

    Not saying that might not happen; i..e trading into the lottery.

    We shall see.
    As of now, Honeycutt, Hamilton, and Walker would be possibilities. There are also some decent bigs that would be interesting to a team like Detroit that needs size.

    You could throw in Valanciunas, Monteijunas, Vesley, Kanter, Sullinger, and Williams as bigs who have just as much chance to go as high as some of the SF's and Wings.

    Also the Raps could get lucky again and have a player like Davis drop.

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    While I dont think any of them are perfect, I think the bargnani, amir, davis rotation has the potential to blossom into something otherworldly.

    Buddahfan, no matter how hard you try, I will not let your propaganda make me hate Amir.

    Hes so much better without the hype.

    I think the Calderon, Bayless, Barbosa trio should be allowed more time before I can make a prediction. But I'm really rooting for it to work.

    The huge weakness to me is in the wings. One of weems or derozan needs to go. I dont trust them as consistent or legit wings. What we could really use is a superstar talent as one of the wings. To me, that would make us a playoff team THIS YEAR.

    And everyones potential fulfilled beyond this year, would make us a force to be reconned with.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    As of now, Honeycutt, Hamilton, and Walker would be possibilities. There are also some decent bigs that would be interesting to a team like Detroit that needs size.

    You could throw in Valanciunas, Monteijunas, Vesley, Kanter, Sullinger, and Williams as bigs who have just as much chance to go as high as some of the SF's and Wings.

    Also the Raps could get lucky again and have a player like Davis drop.
    Any player is a possibility for the Raptors to draft in the 2011 if they are up on the board when the Raptors turn to draft comes up.

    I just don't see them getting a lottery pick in 2011 unless they trade up for one.

    Given their current roster and assuming that Barbosa returns for 2011-12 I don't think that the Raptors will be able to draft high enough in 2011 to draft anyone who will be able to help them in 2011 unless they trade up for a top five pick or trade for a top five pick.
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    I think we need either a good pass first point guard, or an extremely athletic forward/guard who can light up and score in masses. Just a great scorer. We don't need bigmen, but we could always draft a center in the second round, or if we have a pick in the 15-20 range and Kanter is still available...

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    Quote JoePanini wrote: View Post
    I think we need either a good pass first point guard, or an extremely athletic forward/guard who can light up and score in masses. Just a great scorer. We don't need bigmen, but we could always draft a center in the second round, or if we have a pick in the 15-20 range and Kanter is still available...
    Given that the current starting rotation is scoring thusly in the three games that they have started I don't agree that the Raptors need a scorer

    Team - Ave Points PPGA---Pts Scored by Raptors-----Difference
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Heat--------------93-----------100----------------------------Plus 7
    Wiz---------------105----------127----------------------------Plus 22
    Thunder----------103----------111----------------------------Plus 8
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Averages---------100----------113----------------------------Plus 13
    ============================================

    So the current starting rotation is scoring 13 more point per game against the teams which the current the rotation has started against than these teams give up on the average per game. In addition the current starting rotation is averaging four more PPG than the Suns who currently lead the NBA in PPG.

    The Suns lead the league in PPG with 109

    Two of those three games were against top notch playoff teams

    It seems to me that the Raptors don't need more scoring as long as Triano stays with the current starting rotation.

    What they need to do in my opinion is to continue to play hard and continue to improve their team defense.

    Improving the efficiency on offense at the wing positions and improving the defense at the wing positions is where I see their biggest need.
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    Don't sleep on the big's in the NCAA this year, Canada's own Tristan Thompson is playing amazing so far.....
    as far as positioning go , despite Jose play lately i still think we need a solidified pg preferably a pass first type, that can grow along with young onez.....we are 'i think' set when it comes to big man, we have pretty much all the bigs needed etc... a scorer, a rebounder, an athlete, and a mix of all..


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    Another way of looking at this is to see who we will likely have left under contract after this year and next, assuming there's a lockout. so far we have

    bigs: Barg, Amir, Davis, Alabi (last year of rookie contract)
    wings: Derozan (last yr of rookie contract), Weems (needs extension), Kleiza
    pg: Calderon (last yr of contract), Bayless (needs extension)

    I think we should draft for a replacement of weems or bayless if either of their negotiation gets too expensive for our taste. Personally I dont' think weems or kleiza is starter material at the wings position (both are good rotation players), so I'll aim for a starting wing. Failing that I'm good with a back up pg so we can trade calderon as an expiring contract in 2 yrs time.

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    Quote Buddahfan wrote: View Post
    It seems to me that the Raptors don't need more scoring as long as Triano stays with the current starting rotation.

    What they need to do in my opinion is to continue to play hard and continue to improve their team defense.

    Improving the efficiency on offense at the wing positions and improving the defense at the wing positions is where I see their biggest need.
    I would agree scoring is far from the Raptors concern however it would be nice to have another guy who is going to get you 18-22 per night. The Raptors have a lot of different players who step up each night, which is great, but it would be nice to have a couple of constants.

    Defense at the wing and PG are definitely the biggest needs. That is why I have my man crush on for Terrence Jones - 10rebs, 2.5blks, and 1.5stl per game thus far.

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    Quote Abdullah.is.solo wrote: View Post
    Don't sleep on the big's in the NCAA this year, Canada's own Tristan Thompson is playing amazing so far.....
    as far as positioning go , despite Jose play lately i still think we need a solidified pg preferably a pass first type, that can grow along with young onez.....we are 'i think' set when it comes to big man, we have pretty much all the bigs needed etc... a scorer, a rebounder, an athlete, and a mix of all..
    Disagree, I think Jose could be the pg of the future

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    Quote Nick wrote: View Post
    Disagree, I think Jose could be the pg of the future
    i think even Jose looks baffled by that comment LOL


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    No matter where the Raps choose, go for the best talented player available at either the sf or pg positions. Having 2 #1s we choose one of each. This obviously also depends on any trades that BC might swing prior to the draft. Picking out names today is fun but would bear no resemblance to what/who might climb or fall 6 mos. from now, our draft position or members of the Raps end of the year.

    I mentioned this once before, keep an eye on guard Cory Joseph of Toronto playing at Texas. He is under the radar right now.

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    Quote f91ultra wrote: View Post
    Another way of looking at this is to see who we will likely have left under contract after this year and next, assuming there's a lockout. so far we have

    bigs: Barg, Amir, Davis, Alabi (last year of rookie contract)
    wings: Derozan (last yr of rookie contract), Weems (needs extension), Kleiza
    pg: Calderon (last yr of contract), Bayless (needs extension)

    I think we should draft for a replacement of weems or bayless if either of their negotiation gets too expensive for our taste. Personally I dont' think weems or kleiza is starter material at the wings position (both are good rotation players), so I'll aim for a starting wing. Failing that I'm good with a back up pg so we can trade calderon as an expiring contract in 2 yrs time.
    DeRozan's contract runs through 2013-14 with a Team Option in 2012-13 and QO available in 2013-14

    Calderon's contract runs through 2012-13.

    Among the current rotation players Weems is the only one whose contract expires after this season. Barbosa has a Player Option for next season.
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    I would agree scoring is far from the Raptors concern however it would be nice to have another guy who is going to get you 18-22 per night. The Raptors have a lot of different players who step up each night, which is great, but it would be nice to have a couple of constants.

    He was putting up good numbers until today's loss to unranked, North Carolina
    Defense at the wing and PG are definitely the biggest needs. That is why I have my man crush on for Terrence Jones - 10rebs, 2.5blks, and 1.5stl per game thus far.
    He was putting up good numbers until today's loss to unranked, North Carolina
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    OK, the thread is asking what the raps need to improve the most, not want you guys want for the raps to get.
    Its asking for NEED, not WANT.

    The raps are last in blocks per game and 7th in blocks against. i think that pretty much says what this team needs. i mean if you guys cant hear that this team is screaming for a dominant center, clearly you guys are deaf.

    scoring is pretty much covered. assists is good enough. rebounding is getting there. blocks, nowhere near.

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    Quote tbihis wrote: View Post
    OK, the thread is asking what the raps need to improve the most, not want you guys want for the raps to get.
    Its asking for NEED, not WANT.

    The raps are last in blocks per game and 7th in blocks against. i think that pretty much says what this team needs. i mean if you guys cant hear that this team is screaming for a dominant center, clearly you guys are deaf.

    scoring is pretty much covered. assists is good enough. rebounding is getting there. blocks, nowhere near.
    Ed Davis? Give him some time.

    Also, is the lack of blocks the new knock on Bargnani after getting some rebounds of late?

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    Yup. Rough day at work. Barnes didn't do much either. UNC were 25 last week I think. Likely going back in to top 25.

    Irving is also having a bad day with 3mins to go in the 1st.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Ed Davis? Give him some time.

    Also, is the lack of blocks the new knock on Bargnani after getting some rebounds of late?
    Bargnani is a good shotblocker. but common man, give the guy a break. everybody wants him to score, toss 3s, rebound, and now block too? i think he's capable, but if you want a guy to be the focal point of offense, you need to give him a bit of a break on the offensive end. do really see lebron, kobe, wade, paul, dirk, bosh, jefferson guarding each other?

    ed davis is a good shotblocker, but i think the raps have more plans than him just being a defensive specialist.

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