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  • #16
    Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I would agree scoring is far from the Raptors concern however it would be nice to have another guy who is going to get you 18-22 per night. The Raptors have a lot of different players who step up each night, which is great, but it would be nice to have a couple of constants.

    He was putting up good numbers until today's loss to unranked, North Carolina
    Defense at the wing and PG are definitely the biggest needs. That is why I have my man crush on for Terrence Jones - 10rebs, 2.5blks, and 1.5stl per game thus far.
    He was putting up good numbers until today's loss to unranked, North Carolina
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    • #17
      OK, the thread is asking what the raps need to improve the most, not want you guys want for the raps to get.
      Its asking for NEED, not WANT.

      The raps are last in blocks per game and 7th in blocks against. i think that pretty much says what this team needs. i mean if you guys cant hear that this team is screaming for a dominant center, clearly you guys are deaf.

      scoring is pretty much covered. assists is good enough. rebounding is getting there. blocks, nowhere near.

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      • #18
        tbihis wrote: View Post
        OK, the thread is asking what the raps need to improve the most, not want you guys want for the raps to get.
        Its asking for NEED, not WANT.

        The raps are last in blocks per game and 7th in blocks against. i think that pretty much says what this team needs. i mean if you guys cant hear that this team is screaming for a dominant center, clearly you guys are deaf.

        scoring is pretty much covered. assists is good enough. rebounding is getting there. blocks, nowhere near.
        Ed Davis? Give him some time.

        Also, is the lack of blocks the new knock on Bargnani after getting some rebounds of late?

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        • #19
          Yup. Rough day at work. Barnes didn't do much either. UNC were 25 last week I think. Likely going back in to top 25.

          Irving is also having a bad day with 3mins to go in the 1st.

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          • #20
            Matt52 wrote: View Post
            Ed Davis? Give him some time.

            Also, is the lack of blocks the new knock on Bargnani after getting some rebounds of late?
            Bargnani is a good shotblocker. but common man, give the guy a break. everybody wants him to score, toss 3s, rebound, and now block too? i think he's capable, but if you want a guy to be the focal point of offense, you need to give him a bit of a break on the offensive end. do really see lebron, kobe, wade, paul, dirk, bosh, jefferson guarding each other?

            ed davis is a good shotblocker, but i think the raps have more plans than him just being a defensive specialist.

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            • #21
              tbihis wrote: View Post
              OK, the thread is asking what the raps need to improve the most, not want you guys want for the raps to get.
              Its asking for NEED, not WANT.

              The raps are last in blocks per game and 7th in blocks against. i think that pretty much says what this team needs. i mean if you guys cant hear that this team is screaming for a dominant center, clearly you guys are deaf.

              scoring is pretty much covered. assists is good enough. rebounding is getting there. blocks, nowhere near.
              The value of shot blocking is open to debate in my opinion.

              I think what is more important is having bigs that can and not necessarily in this order

              1. Alter shots
              2. Rebound
              3. Defend
              4. Get into the passing lane effectively with their hands
              5. Rotate effectively to give good weak side help
              6. Keep the guy they are defending off of their sweet spots which generally lowers his/her FG%
              7. Box out effectively

              I would rather have a big who is able to take two or three charges a game and do all of the above than someone who can do all of the above and block 2 - 3 shots a game but never or rarely takes a charge.

              Shot blockers are notorious for getting into foul trouble and winding up in the popcorn machine with salt and butter all over them when they try and guard someone who is a skilled offensive player.
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              • #22
                tbihis wrote: View Post
                Bargnani is a good shotblocker. but common man, give the guy a break. everybody wants him to score, toss 3s, rebound, and now block too? i think he's capable, but if you want a guy to be the focal point of offense, you need to give him a bit of a break on the offensive end. do really see lebron, kobe, wade, paul, dirk, bosh, jefferson guarding each other?

                ed davis is a good shotblocker, but i think the raps have more plans than him just being a defensive specialist.
                I was replying to your post and there was nothing said against Bargnani. But yes, I would want Bargnani to score, toss three's, rebound, and block a shot or two, oh yeah, and rotate on D as well. That would be a complete player worthy of an All-Star nod.

                You don't see Kobe guarding Jefferson but of those players mentioned who play same position, yes they do guard one another when it matters.

                Your original post said the Raptors needed shot blockers - they have Bargnani who is good for one a game, Johnson, Davis who should average closer to 2-2.5, and Alabi a project who's shotblocking is his specialty. IMO they need a great two way wing player who can score and defend - enter Terrence Jones (draft) or Jeff Green (RFA) would be my preference- "Hey, BC! You listening?"

                The great players in the league play on both sides of the ball and because one is asked to score doesn't mean they can't play D or block shots.

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                • #23
                  The Raptors aren't building for next year, they're building for three or four years into the future where the current group of young guys are entering their prime. No point in focusing on picking up skill-specific players like shot-blockers or deep shooters or even situational defenders right now. Raptors need to use all non-long-term assets available to move up in the draft and get the most talented, high-upside wing or guard that they can, as those will be the hardest things to acquire.

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                  • #24
                    1) Pass First PG
                    2) Dominate Physical Rebounding Center to move AB to PF.
                    3) Great Rebounding and Defensive SF

                    Move Weems, Johnson to te bench where the belong. Start Davis in bench for now as well till he matures.

                    If BC plays his cards right, by using TPE and Peja and Evans expiring contracts and also 2 first round draft picks, all of the 3 major needs can be addressed this summer BUT is BC going to pull it off ??

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                    • #25
                      Raptor4Ever wrote: View Post
                      1) Pass First PG
                      2) Dominate Physical Rebounding Center to move AB to PF.
                      3) Great Rebounding and Defensive SF

                      Move Weems, Johnson to te bench where the belong. Start Davis in bench for now as well till he matures.

                      If BC plays his cards right, by using TPE and Peja and Evans expiring contracts and also 2 first round draft picks, all of the 3 major needs can be addressed this summer BUT is BC going to pull it off ??
                      Bargnani is a 5. We have many 4s. If we need a bigman, it's a reserve C who should only be picked in a late first round pick or second round. We have Johnson, Davis, Dorsey and Kleiza at the 4.

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                      • #26
                        JoePanini wrote: View Post
                        Bargnani is a 5. We have many 4s. If we need a bigman, it's a reserve C who should only be picked in a late first round pick or second round. We have Johnson, Davis, Dorsey and Kleiza at the 4.
                        Except from Davis, which is too young to even be considered to start yet, None of the people you named are starters in a good NBA team.

                        AB plays outside and a great big body like Roy Hibert type player can be a great pice to play along with him.

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                        • #27
                          I think that we are pretty much covered at PG position (bayless, barbosa, calderon) we are ok at the wings (derozan, weems, barbosa, wright, kleiza) we are ok at the PF position (Ed davis, kleiza, bargnani, johnson, dorsey) the only position that we are weak in is a true center the only center this team has is bargnani (who is arguably a 4). So if BC goes out there to get anything it should be ATLEAST a back up center.
                          "Defense wins championships."

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                          • #28
                            I haven't seen enough of bayless to judge Calderon can in the future be a good back up because there are things he does in the pick and roll I have not yet seen from another Toronto guard. We really need a Dwight Howard type center for fear of turning I to Atlanta hawks.

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                            • #29
                              grindhouse wrote: View Post
                              I haven't seen enough of bayless to judge Calderon can in the future be a good back up because there are things he does in the pick and roll I have not yet seen from another Toronto guard. We really need a Dwight Howard type center for fear of turning I to Atlanta hawks.
                              i think DH would be perfect for our team... he does everything bargs is weak at exeptionaly well & would be devastating in the pick & roll with Jose...if i was BC id be trying everything to get Dwight..maybe even take RL off there hands if it ment landing DH. LOL heck i might even take VC back if it ment DH LOL...
                              Last edited by DoNDaDDa; Sun Dec 5, 2010, 12:07 AM.

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                              • #30
                                The Raptors could definitely use a C, there are a few option we could look at this summer:
                                1.) Marc Gasol, physical, rebounds, can score (ideal for Raps but its unlikely memphis will let him go.

                                2.) Sammy Dalembert, long, rebound+block machine, could shore up our interior defense,
                                and he's Canadian.

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