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    Quote tbihis wrote: View Post
    OK, the thread is asking what the raps need to improve the most, not want you guys want for the raps to get.
    Its asking for NEED, not WANT.

    The raps are last in blocks per game and 7th in blocks against. i think that pretty much says what this team needs. i mean if you guys cant hear that this team is screaming for a dominant center, clearly you guys are deaf.

    scoring is pretty much covered. assists is good enough. rebounding is getting there. blocks, nowhere near.
    The value of shot blocking is open to debate in my opinion.

    I think what is more important is having bigs that can and not necessarily in this order

    1. Alter shots
    2. Rebound
    3. Defend
    4. Get into the passing lane effectively with their hands
    5. Rotate effectively to give good weak side help
    6. Keep the guy they are defending off of their sweet spots which generally lowers his/her FG%
    7. Box out effectively

    I would rather have a big who is able to take two or three charges a game and do all of the above than someone who can do all of the above and block 2 - 3 shots a game but never or rarely takes a charge.

    Shot blockers are notorious for getting into foul trouble and winding up in the popcorn machine with salt and butter all over them when they try and guard someone who is a skilled offensive player.
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    Quote tbihis wrote: View Post
    Bargnani is a good shotblocker. but common man, give the guy a break. everybody wants him to score, toss 3s, rebound, and now block too? i think he's capable, but if you want a guy to be the focal point of offense, you need to give him a bit of a break on the offensive end. do really see lebron, kobe, wade, paul, dirk, bosh, jefferson guarding each other?

    ed davis is a good shotblocker, but i think the raps have more plans than him just being a defensive specialist.
    I was replying to your post and there was nothing said against Bargnani. But yes, I would want Bargnani to score, toss three's, rebound, and block a shot or two, oh yeah, and rotate on D as well. That would be a complete player worthy of an All-Star nod.

    You don't see Kobe guarding Jefferson but of those players mentioned who play same position, yes they do guard one another when it matters.

    Your original post said the Raptors needed shot blockers - they have Bargnani who is good for one a game, Johnson, Davis who should average closer to 2-2.5, and Alabi a project who's shotblocking is his specialty. IMO they need a great two way wing player who can score and defend - enter Terrence Jones (draft) or Jeff Green (RFA) would be my preference- "Hey, BC! You listening?"

    The great players in the league play on both sides of the ball and because one is asked to score doesn't mean they can't play D or block shots.

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    The Raptors aren't building for next year, they're building for three or four years into the future where the current group of young guys are entering their prime. No point in focusing on picking up skill-specific players like shot-blockers or deep shooters or even situational defenders right now. Raptors need to use all non-long-term assets available to move up in the draft and get the most talented, high-upside wing or guard that they can, as those will be the hardest things to acquire.

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    1) Pass First PG
    2) Dominate Physical Rebounding Center to move AB to PF.
    3) Great Rebounding and Defensive SF

    Move Weems, Johnson to te bench where the belong. Start Davis in bench for now as well till he matures.

    If BC plays his cards right, by using TPE and Peja and Evans expiring contracts and also 2 first round draft picks, all of the 3 major needs can be addressed this summer BUT is BC going to pull it off ??

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    Quote Raptor4Ever wrote: View Post
    1) Pass First PG
    2) Dominate Physical Rebounding Center to move AB to PF.
    3) Great Rebounding and Defensive SF

    Move Weems, Johnson to te bench where the belong. Start Davis in bench for now as well till he matures.

    If BC plays his cards right, by using TPE and Peja and Evans expiring contracts and also 2 first round draft picks, all of the 3 major needs can be addressed this summer BUT is BC going to pull it off ??
    Bargnani is a 5. We have many 4s. If we need a bigman, it's a reserve C who should only be picked in a late first round pick or second round. We have Johnson, Davis, Dorsey and Kleiza at the 4.

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    Quote JoePanini wrote: View Post
    Bargnani is a 5. We have many 4s. If we need a bigman, it's a reserve C who should only be picked in a late first round pick or second round. We have Johnson, Davis, Dorsey and Kleiza at the 4.
    Except from Davis, which is too young to even be considered to start yet, None of the people you named are starters in a good NBA team.

    AB plays outside and a great big body like Roy Hibert type player can be a great pice to play along with him.

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    I think that we are pretty much covered at PG position (bayless, barbosa, calderon) we are ok at the wings (derozan, weems, barbosa, wright, kleiza) we are ok at the PF position (Ed davis, kleiza, bargnani, johnson, dorsey) the only position that we are weak in is a true center the only center this team has is bargnani (who is arguably a 4). So if BC goes out there to get anything it should be ATLEAST a back up center.

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    I haven't seen enough of bayless to judge Calderon can in the future be a good back up because there are things he does in the pick and roll I have not yet seen from another Toronto guard. We really need a Dwight Howard type center for fear of turning I to Atlanta hawks.

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    Quote grindhouse wrote: View Post
    I haven't seen enough of bayless to judge Calderon can in the future be a good back up because there are things he does in the pick and roll I have not yet seen from another Toronto guard. We really need a Dwight Howard type center for fear of turning I to Atlanta hawks.
    i think DH would be perfect for our team... he does everything bargs is weak at exeptionaly well & would be devastating in the pick & roll with Jose...if i was BC id be trying everything to get Dwight..maybe even take RL off there hands if it ment landing DH. LOL heck i might even take VC back if it ment DH LOL...
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    The Raptors could definitely use a C, there are a few option we could look at this summer:
    1.) Marc Gasol, physical, rebounds, can score (ideal for Raps but its unlikely memphis will let him go.

    2.) Sammy Dalembert, long, rebound+block machine, could shore up our interior defense,
    and he's Canadian.

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    Quote DoNDaDDa wrote: View Post
    i think DH would be perfect for our team... he does everything bargs is weak at exeptionaly well & would be devastating in the pick & roll with Jose...if i was BC id be trying everything to get Dwight..maybe even take RL off there hands if it ment landing DH. LOL heck i might even take VC back if it ment DH LOL...
    The chances of getting Dwight Howard from ORL are about the same as getting Kobe from LAL.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    The chances of getting Dwight Howard from ORL are about the same as getting Kobe from LAL.
    For those who don't know how impossible it would be, Kobe has a no trade clause. :P

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    Quote Raptor4Ever wrote: View Post
    1) Pass First PG
    2) Dominate Physical Rebounding Center to move AB to PF.
    3) Great Rebounding and Defensive SF

    Move Weems, Johnson to te bench where the belong. Start Davis in bench for now as well till he matures.

    If BC plays his cards right, by using TPE and Peja and Evans expiring contracts and also 2 first round draft picks, all of the 3 major needs can be addressed this summer BUT is BC going to pull it off ??
    +1. In other words, the Raps draft / sign the best players available.
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    Quote bigmanshaq wrote: View Post
    The Raptors could definitely use a C, there are a few option we could look at this summer:
    1.) Marc Gasol, physical, rebounds, can score (ideal for Raps but its unlikely memphis will let him go.

    2.) Sammy Dalembert, long, rebound+block machine, could shore up our interior defense,
    and he's Canadian.
    We could get Dalembert now, as Thompson is now the starter they don't need him so we could do a Stojakovic for Dalembert trade, but I'm not sure I would accept, I would strongly think about it though.

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    ideally we should be improving the PG position but its going good so far. i would still love us to get a legit 3 who can give us like 15 a night consistently and a C ... bargnani will explode if he plays the 4. probably 25 ppg

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    Interesting thread. My 2 cents, for what its worth, is from the perspective of injuries and I think we are most vulnerable at PG and C. If history is any indication, Calderon is probably due for a hamstring injury soon and we really have no depth at PG. Bayless has shown he can pick up some slack but Barbosa isn't really a PG. If Calderon goes down, we will suffer greatly.

    As well, if Bargs gets injured, we will be pretty screwed. Does he even have a back-up? The result would be a pretty sad rotation of Johnson, Davis, Dorsey, Kleiza and Peja. I guess we would have to recall Alabi from the d-League or run a very small line-up.

    But strickly talking about a upgrade in talent, I think we need someone better than Calderon for the future.
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    Quote RaptorDan wrote: View Post
    Interesting thread. My 2 cents, for what its worth, is from the perspective of injuries and I think we are most vulnerable at PG and C. If history is any indication, Calderon is probably due for a hamstring injury soon and we really have no depth at PG. Bayless has shown he can pick up some slack but Barbosa isn't really a PG. If Calderon goes down, we will suffer greatly.

    As well, if Bargs gets injured, we will be pretty screwed. Does he even have a back-up? The result would be a pretty sad rotation of Johnson, Davis, Dorsey, Kleiza and Peja. I guess we would have to recall Alabi from the d-League or run a very small line-up.

    But strickly talking about a upgrade in talent, I think we need someone better than Calderon for the future.
    Davis, Bargnani, and Johnson appear to be a nice combination thus far - especially if Bargnani can keep getting 7-8rebs as he has been doing of late.

    Today's game against the NYK totally exposed our wings. My order of priority moving forward:

    1) Wings (2-way offensive and defensive player i.e. a real starter)
    2) PG
    3) Bigs

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Davis, Bargnani, and Johnson appear to be a nice combination thus far - especially if Bargnani can keep getting 7-8rebs as he has been doing of late.

    Today's game against the NYK totally exposed our wings. My order of priority moving forward:

    1) Wings (2-way offensive and defensive player i.e. a real starter)
    2) PG
    3) Bigs
    I agree that the Raptors wings didn't do their job today.

    Triano is also under the bus today.

    He was totally out coached by D'Antoni

    The Knicks had way too many open uncontested 20 - 25 footers that they wound up making.

    Triano knows his personnel and what they can do.

    The Raptors wing players spent all day on defense trying to outrun passes to the open guys parked right behind the three point line.

    You can't outrun the passed ball.

    Triano and Carlesimo should have come up with an adequate or better defensive scheme for today's game.

    The Knicks also did a good job of making it difficult for Bargnani to get off more than than just a limited number of open shots. Very good defense by the Knicks today.
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    PG or SF is what they'll need most. I'm hoping we can get one of Harrison Barnes or Kyrie Irving but the way this team is playing, I don't think they'll end up with a top 5 pick.

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    I really like all of the Raptors 4/5's. They have rebounding, length, defensive/offensive upside, I don't think they should alter this.

    This team needs to draft a point guard, no ifs and or buts. Calderon is injury prone and there really is noone behind Bayless.

    The thing to watch this year is can Weems and Derozan put their struggles behind them and get some consistency.

    The one position this teams needs to address in a possible trade (which I doubt will happen) is there SF position. Kleiza is struggling to get touches and despite his upside Wright is having problems getting off the bench. What this team needs to address is to get a 22 year old Peja (someone who can shoot the 3). Maybe the Raptors draft Vesely?
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