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    Default If Raps make playoffs, Bargs is all-star next year

    If the Raptors make the playoffs the team/players will get some serious love from the US media. Since the rest of the world only know about bosh's 20-10 and not all his flaws, it would be a complete shock (to actually finnish better than last year). Guys like Bargs, Jose, Barbosa (veteren guys) would gain a lot of respect in the league.

    For example, because of the Bucks surprise last year, Bogut and Jennings got a lot of love. He got injured, but if Bogut had any kind of half decent start this year, he would get the nod over Horford/Noah for all-star Centre, even though their stats would probably be pretty similar.

    I think thats the kind of impact making the playoffs would do to Barg's preception throughout the league. All of a sudden 20/7 will be given preference over maybe more well-rounded players like horford 18/10. Whether or not it "should' hey thats a different story, but I think it would happen.

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    I think he can make it this year!

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    hmmm....I think Horford and Noah (especially Noah) would get chosen over him for backup C. I guess he's a longshot for the last F position, but I dont see it happening.

    But like I was saying his "perception" around the league will go up a lot if the Raps make the playoffs, you're already starting to see him get more props from opposing players and coaches. And like it or not, nobody looks at advanced stats, defensive rotations etc for all-star selection. Its all about basic Pts/Rebs/Asts and reputation.

    If Raps make the playoffs this year, and Bargs gets like 21/7 next year before the break, I would say he's an almost lock.

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    Play-offs, plus underdog, plus foreign = All star appearance?

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    Yes, you could say that...

    How about this too:

    Playoffs + upset vs ORL = All star starter over Dwight?

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    Quote Ruuuuu wrote: View Post
    Yes, you could say that...

    How about this too:

    Playoffs + upset vs ORL = All star starter over Dwight?
    An upset as in the playoffs? The ballot ends half way through the year, so there would be no way to know. But if we have a .500 record against winning teams...

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    What if Raps upset ORL this year (and Bargs avg 30-15, and dunks on DW in game 7 with 0.1 seconds left to win the game)

    Then Bargs would have a chance to start over Dwight next year

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    Quote ruuuuu wrote: View Post
    what if raps upset orl this year (and bargs avg 30-15, and dunks on dw in game 7 with 0.1 seconds left to win the game)

    then bargs would have a chance to start over dwight next year
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    Even if he doesn't make the all-star, he will have earned the respect of opposing bigs and coaches for his ability to score...if they haven't already. That's if he can keep up his level of play for the whole season. So far so good.

    As for playoffs...it would be great if we made it, but it's still a long season. So I'm crossing my fingers but not getting my hopes up. With the effort the team is putting out though, it's not hard at all to cheer for them and be proud.

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    While I have been voting for him, I think it would be a miracle if Bargs ever gets voted an all-star. its a popularity contest and since it seems that most Raptor fans hate him, I can't see how he can get enough votes.

    Maybe if Bargs somehow got on Jersey Shore?
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    Quote Ruuuuu wrote: View Post
    If the Raptors make the playoffs the team/players will get some serious love from the US media. Since the rest of the world only know about bosh's 20-10 and not all his flaws, it would be a complete shock (to actually finnish better than last year). Guys like Bargs, Jose, Barbosa (veteren guys) would gain a lot of respect in the league.

    For example, because of the Bucks surprise last year, Bogut and Jennings got a lot of love. He got injured, but if Bogut had any kind of half decent start this year, he would get the nod over Horford/Noah for all-star Centre, even though their stats would probably be pretty similar.

    I think thats the kind of impact making the playoffs would do to Barg's preception throughout the league. All of a sudden 20/7 will be given preference over maybe more well-rounded players like horford 18/10. Whether or not it "should' hey thats a different story, but I think it would happen.

    Thoughts?
    When they made it in the past five years the team and players didn't get love. They were called overachievers.

    Bargnani is competing against Dwight Howard for votes. No way he gets in by way of the fans. His only hope is with the coaches and there are a bunch of other fine choices besides him.

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    Why is there so many Bargnani all star posts? I'm not dogging the guy, he's been very active and productive of late, but come on...you have to both overvalue Bargs and undervalue Howard, Noah, Bogut, Horford to think he would be an all star.

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    When they made it in the past five years the team and players didn't get love. They were called overachievers.

    Bargnani is competing against Dwight Howard for votes. No way he gets in by way of the fans. His only hope is with the coaches and there are a bunch of other fine choices besides him.
    I think bosh did get kind of a boost after that. He went from border line all star to perennial all-star and that playoff season helped a lot with that. We're talking about people's opinions here so its hard to quantify. But again look at the Bogut example, if Bogut had been healthy and been getting like 16/10, dont you think he would get the nod over Noah/Horford this year?

    And yeah for sure, Im talking about the backup Centre spot (Dwight has the starting spot locked up for years probably)

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    Why is there so many Bargnani all star posts? I'm not dogging the guy, he's been very active and productive of late, but come on...you have to both overvalue Bargs and undervalue Howard, Noah, Bogut, Horford to think he would be an all star.
    Well I dont know what the others were about, the point I wanted to bring up here was that making the playoffs (even squeaking in 8th seed) I think would give him the boost needed to get in. Like I said, whether or not he is actually better than those other guys you mentioned is a separate story, I am strictly talking about being named an all-star here.

    All-star comes down to: Pts/Rebs/Asts and general reputation

    If Raps make playoffs and Bargs has like 20/7 next year before the break, I think he will be named to the team (over guys like Horford and Bogut who will be getting more like 18/10 and some people might say are actually better players).

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    I don't know Ruuuuu, even with your scenario it's hard to believe he'll make it. You're saying 2 pts is more highly regarded than 3 rebounds. Furthermore even if the Raptors make the post season both Hawks and Milwaukee are more likely to be in there as well.

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    Quote Ruuuuu wrote: View Post
    I think bosh did get kind of a boost after that. He went from border line all star to perennial all-star and that playoff season helped a lot with that. We're talking about people's opinions here so its hard to quantify.
    His stats determined him getting into the game. He was totally eclipsing all other options on the stats sheet. It was impossible for coaches to ignore what he was doing. The playoff appearance did nothing to help in my honest opinion. For one, he stunk in the playoffs. For two, his team got their asses handed to them in the playoffs. I get where you're coming from with exposure but that's important to the fans decision, not the coaches. We've established that Bargnani will never beat out Howard and so Bargnani will depend on the coaches and the coaches see him enough during the season to make the call. I highly doubt when they do make the call that they're thinking back to a year prior when his team was getting the beating of all beatings in the 1st round.

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    I just know that this year he is not seriously going to be considered. However, if the Raps made the playoffs and he had similar stats next year, I could see him named by the coaches. Its hard to prove that though b/c its coaches opinions, its just the feel I get but whatever...I guess the consensus for now is that a playoff birth wouldn't gurantee it then.

    He's actually in a good situation to be in the mix though.

    Over the next couple years, Assuming Dwight is that starting C, he really only needs to beat out Horford/Noah/Bogut for 1-2 remaining spots. I think he already has the edge on Lopez and Hibbert (again just purely for all-star naming). And unless Im forgetting someone, there's no big Centre prospects in the East on the horizon (Favors looks like he will take some time).

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    Quote Ruuuuu wrote: View Post
    I just know that this year he is not seriously going to be considered. However, if the Raps made the playoffs and he had similar stats next year, I could see him named by the coaches. Its hard to prove that though b/c its coaches opinions, its just the feel I get but whatever...I guess the consensus for now is that a playoff birth wouldn't gurantee it then.

    He's actually in a good situation to be in the mix though.

    Over the next couple years, Assuming Dwight is that starting C, he really only needs to beat out Horford/Noah/Bogut for 1-2 remaining spots. I think he already has the edge on Lopez and Hibbert (again just purely for all-star naming). And unless Im forgetting someone, there's no big Centre prospects in the East on the horizon (Favors looks like he will take some time).
    I'm sure he'll get consideration this year and next year if he posts similar stats but I still don't see where the playoffs fit into it. Like I said, coaches aren't like fans or in other words, people who don't get to see players play unless they're on national U.S. television. Coaches get to see these guys up close and personal many times during the season and then they're watching game film and scouting. If I'm a coach I don't see how knowing the guy played the previous year in round one alters my opinion of the player. Shannon Brown won a ring last year but is he better than Shane Battier?

    And consider this. How on earth is he ever going to beat out Joakim Noah the way that guy is playing? I don't see it ever happening unless Bargnani figures out how to rebound well. Let's assume he can't beat out Howard or Noah but let's assume the All-Star team would take three centers. Here's the list of players he would be competing against:

    - Al Horford
    - Josh Smith
    - Kevin Garnett
    - Andrew Bogut
    - Chris Bosh
    - Roy Hibbert
    - Brook Lopez
    - Andrew Blatche

    I'm not sure how anything can be guaranteed. The competition is stiff. I'm not sure "20 PPG" has the same intoxicating effect on the coaches as it does the fans.

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    i'd prefer if he didn't make the all-star team, and made one of the all-nba teams instead.

    its like the homecoming ball vs. the dean's list.

    one is a popularity contest, the other awards real accomplishment and contribution.

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    I think only the starters are decided based on popularity. All-NBA is decided in a similar fashion as the All-Star reserves. I think All-NBA will be even more difficult because then he's competing against the whole league.

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    I think I disagree with you about how the Coaches select the reserves. They ARE swayed by the normal pts/rebs/asts. Even though they know a lot more about the players, thats just how all-star games work.

    Before Bosh put up stats that made him an unavoidable choice, he was just a good player on a bad team putting up good stats, the coaches must have knew that. And how did David Lee make it last year? The coaches didn't factor in that his stats were inflated playing in D'antoni system, or that he isn't too good defensively. 20+10 = automatic all star IMO. How many of those players you mentioned above would you (or coaches) say David Lee is actually better than?

    In Bargs case he is more likely to get 22/8 before he ever gets 20/10. If he ever gets 22/8, I would be shocked if he didn't make the All Star team, regardless if those other guys are actually better players (except Blache, common bro)

    So Im looking at it in terms of numbers like that. So ok, lets say 20/7 is still a bit low. What about 21/7, hypothetically coming off a year he was the #1 option for a surprise playoff team...yeah I would have to say he would be a strong candidate for one of the reserves.
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