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    I too am glad to see Lizzie gone, but the events that transpired in Sunday's episode were very unexpected haha. But during the episode, I had a premonition that something was going to happen to the girls while the adults were getting water.

    What did happen though, was absolutely crazy.
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    Quote YoungGunRaptor wrote: View Post
    I too am glad to see Lizzie gone, but the events that transpired in Sunday's episode were very unexpected haha. But during the episode, I had a premonition that something was going to happen to the girls while the adults were getting water.

    What did happen though, was absolutely crazy.
    I like how they wandered off and left the girls alone after the girls had nearly got themselves killed.
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    She was by far the worst character on the show IMO. She didn't fit into the story or setting at all. It was impossible to develop her in relation to other characters because of such things, and therefor totally useless in what is a character driven drama. It's no surprise they killed her. They should never have put her in the show in the first place. Of course they used a shocking situation for it, since she literally served no purpose or fit at all in any way. Good riddance. I'm just disappointed they had to dedicate a whole episode to the story around it, since they probably felt if they were just going to kill kids in passing as part of a 2 or 3 plotline episode they would get them even more backlash.
    Apparently, there was a similar plotline in the comics where Carl kills some sociopathic kid, so I guess there was the inspiration?

    Actually, I would argue that Lizzie's character made far more sense in the context of the world and within the atmosphere of TWD than Michonne (super-ninja-killer-woman) or some of the other characters from past seasons. Her character didn't need to "develop", she was an archtype: the sociopath. How do normal people, in the context of an apocalypse, deal with such a person? How does that person deal with the world? The problem with how it played out was that it would have been far more interesting to have the larger group involved when she did something like kill her sister.

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    Apparently, there was a similar plotline in the comics where Carl kills some sociopathic kid, so I guess there was the inspiration?

    Actually, I would argue that Lizzie's character made far more sense in the context of the world and within the atmosphere of TWD than Michonne (super-ninja-killer-woman) or some of the other characters from past seasons. Her character didn't need to "develop", she was an archtype: the sociopath. How do normal people, in the context of an apocalypse, deal with such a person? How does that person deal with the world? The problem with how it played out was that it would have been far more interesting to have the larger group involved when she did something like kill her sister.
    Part of the reason she didn't fit was because she's an archetype. Most archetypes in character dramas end up being villains or anti-heros (alpha male: Shane...nihilistic anarchist: Merle...megalomaniac sociopath: Governor) . Characters that struggle to break free of themselves. Whereas most of the "good guys" are people who show flaws that they acknowledge and wish to change. And because Lizzie's archetype was one of a sociopath (though I might argue it's more straight up psychopath), but she was a child, it left them with very little to actually do with her character. I think in a lot of ways it would've been much better, if like you suggest, they had something happen with her while she was part of the group. Kill her sister....try to kill others while she was quarantined...something. After all, they built up her obvious disorder in the prison, so it would've been fitting to have something unravel there. Again, in the end, I think they trapped themselves because they didn't really have a plan for what to do with such a character and how she would fit into the world they made (revolving around the others survivors), and it didn't help that she was a kid, because they probably weren't sure at first how much they wanted to push her extreme character to the front given that.

    Michonne's character is lame because they took far too long to do anything with her apart from super-ninja-killer-woman. Which is stupid, because in that 3rd season they had every opportunity to start developing her beyond that because of her relationship with Andrea and role in the Governor/Woodbury plot. And now it just seems like anything is a desperate attempt to try and make her relevant as something beyond that.

    Anyway, glad she's gone. Ended up being totally useless.

    **Not sure sociopath is 100% on (I am not at all a psych specialist)...but her character reminded me more of a schizophrenic with psychotic tendencies....
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    Part of me thinks it would've been very interesting to somehow work the plot into something where Lizzie's sister actually has to end up being the one killing her....

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    I don't read the comics but doing a bit of reading on the web realized that Lizzie and Mika represented Billy and Ben. Ben killed his brother knowing that he would come back. The group didn't know what to do so let Ben live. Later that night Carl goes ahead and executes Ben anyway.

    They could have developed this further but I think this was really Carol's story. The writers wanted to give Carol a bigger story in the show. One way to do that would be for her to be the girls 'mother'. Have her get close to them and watch it fall apart.

    Although I appreciate her a little more after last week's episode she's still not someone I'm rooting for.

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    Wow, not a single post about the pending finale? What is Terminus? That was just a little too easy and way too creepy.

    I fear for Glenn and/or Maggie. That whole thing was just a little too perfect and the picture thing has to be foreshadowing a death. Also, Beth has to be there, right?

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    Wow, not a single post about the pending finale? What is Terminus? That was just a little too easy and way too creepy.

    I fear for Glenn and/or Maggie. That whole thing was just a little too perfect and the picture thing has to be foreshadowing a death. Also, Beth has to be there, right?
    My guess is cannibals. Just a wild guess though.

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    The cooking lady that greeted the group when they got to Terminus was super creepy. Gives me a bad feeling about the place.
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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    My guess is cannibals. Just a wild guess though.
    I agree with this. Something about the comics + the line "Get yourself comfortable and we'll make you a plate" seems pretty sketchy. And the Barbecue seems like a little foreshadowing.

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    has anybody played the much superior game from Telltale?
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    has anybody played the much superior game from Telltale?
    I played the first one and preferred it to the show but it is very, very dark and by the end it was almost difficult to play....

    Haven't played the second one yet. Still waiting to get all the various audio/visual stuff into the house, so won't have my PS4 or Xbox for a few weeks.

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    Well, something tells me something will happen to Carl, most likely at the hands of the guys Daryl is with. Rick goes berserk and Daryl joins him in killing some of that group.

    IDK what to think about Terminus though. That Lady just looked like the crazy girl who was killed.
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    So what did you guys think of the finale?

    I thought it was the best episode of the season. Rick is going to be so much fun going into next season.. and who guessed Cannibals, because I think you were right. See the pile of bones in the middle of that one room there?

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    Quote planetmars wrote: View Post
    So what did you guys think of the finale?

    I thought it was the best episode of the season. Rick is going to be so much fun going into next season.. and who guessed Cannibals, because I think you were right. See the pile of bones in the middle of that one room there?
    Yes, the cage of bones wasn't subtle.... Apparently, they meet up with cannibals at this stage of the comic but from what I have read it appeared that the cannibals would have been more like the Claimers than the people at Terminus, though the tv show plays around with all the particulars. It's obviously some sort of cult but I don't think it's the main group of the cult. The season 5 early descriptors all have the group heading the Washington DC and the early rumours are there will be a new main adversary. The leader of the cult?

    I really liked the episode, though I am not a fan of the cliffhangar. The two worst stretches of this show were the farm (and all of season 2) and the prison. Hopefully, they keep them on the road for most of the next season.

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    I really liked the episode, though I am not a fan of the cliffhangar. The two worst stretches of this show were the farm (and all of season 2) and the prison. Hopefully, they keep them on the road for most of the next season.
    Agreed. Besides, I think Rick in particular has given up on any sort of sanctuary at this point.
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    I enjoyed it, although they really left us hanging haha. At least season 5 will start with a bang.

    Rick's unleashed his brutal side completely, I wonder what this means in terms of his relationship with the rest of the group. Carl was horrified, but I hope he realizes that his dad will do anything, including acting like a zombie just to protect him.
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    Season 5 trailer (warning spoilers):


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    Season 2 of TWD:The Game just wrapped. Still better than the show.
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