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    Default Peja Stojakovic Get Healthy AND FAST!

    Sad to say but we desperatly need Peja Stojakovic and as much as he was the "throw in" in the Jack trade he may very well turn out to be an important peice at least until he's traded.

    I would input him into the starting line up asap! His 3 point shooting will strech the defence because they need to respect his shot. This will allow other players more room to drive and play pick and roll without worrying about weems or derozans man taking a charge. I would have weems and barbosa come of the bench. I think weems is more a spark plug and can bring energy as the sixth man. Also having a shooter can complement derozans game more.
    Peja get health fast!!

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    Or let's trade him faster for another starter in the same position!!!

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    what the hell is with Peja's swollen knee? I have a freaking swollen knee yet I just shoveled snow then plowed the wife. No complaints here, and I didn't even get paid millions. Unless Colangelo has something is in the works, why the F isn't he playing? God knows a sharp shooting 3 point specialist might have helped tonight. Its not like when he has a healthy knee Peja can play a lick of defense. For the love of sweet baby jesus, get off your ass and play!
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    The Raps have no one to stretch the floor with. Struggling wings and no 3 point shooting to speak of. Sigh. I'm thinking that both Weems and Demar deserves to go to the bench at this point. I would start Barbosa and Kleiza (yes Kleiza, just to get him back mentally). The second unit should be Sonny, Demar and Jerryd with Davis and Wright. The running and gunning should be on the bench unit. Why you ask? Well, Jose is a half-court offense oriented PG. We can have Barbosa on a drive and kick option, Jose and Amir can continue their pick and roll while Bargs camps on the 3-point line from time-to-time.

    PS> Peja's gotta be in there. Seriously.
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    Quote DunkinDerozan wrote: View Post
    Sad to say but we desperatly need Peja Stojakovic and as much as he was the "throw in" in the Jack trade he may very well turn out to be an important peice at least until he's traded.
    Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but Peja isn't going to be the answer. No one is going to be the "answer" this year. This year isn't about winning, it's about developing the young players. Even if that wasn't the goal, Peja is now a role player who needs somebody to create for him. The Raptors already have a bunch of spot up shooter and I highly doubt one more is going to fix anything.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but Peja isn't going to be the answer. No one is going to be the "answer" this year. This year isn't about winning, it's about developing the young players. Even if that wasn't the goal, Peja is now a role player who needs somebody to create for him. The Raptors already have a bunch of spot up shooter and I highly doubt one more is going to fix anything.
    True, but how many of their spot up shooters are actually good shooters??

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    You got me. I just don't see how playing Peja helps anything when he's a marked man and is not part of the future. I'd rather see them lose with guys like Bayless, Davis, DeRozan and Johnson out there than steal a win with Peja getting good PT. That's not to say I want to see them tank but I do realize the new nature of this team, the way it's being built, is that the focus should not be primarily on winning games at all costs. It should be about winning games with the pieces you expect to be here long term.

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    You got me. I just don't see how playing Peja helps anything when he's a marked man and is not part of the future. I'd rather see them lose with guys like Bayless, Davis, DeRozan and Johnson out there than steal a win with Peja getting good PT. That's not to say I want to see them tank but I do realize the new nature of this team, the way it's being built, is that the focus should not be primarily on winning games at all costs. It should be about winning games with the pieces you expect to be here long term.
    OK, so you got a guy on the bench earning 14 mil. and the team is getting creamed by 20. That's supposed to be a good thing? Putting out 5 young guys to be humiliated is hardly developmental. Guys learned when there is even a remote perception of hope. I'm not saying that the hope is in Peja but defenders and most teams know that he can still knock em down. I mean, you're practically getting molested out there and you have a guy with 14 mil sitting there doing nothing. I just don't know where the morale boost will come from.
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    The only reason to play Peja is so teams can remind themselves that he can shoot and has some trade value.
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    Quote Balls of Steel wrote: View Post
    OK, so you got a guy on the bench earning 14 mil. and the team is getting creamed by 20. That's supposed to be a good thing? Putting out 5 young guys to be humiliated is hardly developmental. Guys learned when there is even a remote perception of hope. I'm not saying that the hope is in Peja but defenders and most teams know that he can still knock em down. I mean, you're practically getting molested out there and you have a guy with 14 mil sitting there doing nothing. I just don't know where the morale boost will come from.
    It was one game. What about the bunch they won prior? It's part of a rebuild/retool or whatever else you want to call it. The young guys need to take their lumps just like they need to savor victories. What message does it send to them when they're down if it's "ok", they'll be replaced and they can just sit back on the bench and quit? The only way you can learn to fight is by fighting and if they're not able or willing to fight back when faced with adversity then why are we wasting our time watching them play? I think it's great to leave them out there no matter the scenario in what should be a lost season. Peja's contract value is irrelevant. The Raptors never signed him to that deal and they have no intention of keeping him past the deadline. They'll be paying him for three months. He's here to facilitate the next move. If him getting paid not to play significant time is catching you up then remember that they were paying Sam Mitchell $5M/yr for two years not to coach. Going back even further they were paying Kevin O'Neil and Lenny Wilkins not to coach the first year they hired Sam Mitchell. In fact the year after, if I do recall, they traded for Alonzo Mourning and then gave him over $10M to just go away. Retooling isn't always pretty and if you approach it with the mind set that you must win at all costs then you could end up with a NY Knicks scenario where by they shoot themselves in the foot repeatedly until it's to the point where they're a decade removed from their last playoff appearance and little to show for it.

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    The only reason to play Peja is so teams can remind themselves that he can shoot and has some trade value.
    That scenario makes a lot more sense to me.
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    Quote Balls of Steel wrote: View Post
    OK, so you got a guy on the bench earning 14 mil. and the team is getting creamed by 20. That's supposed to be a good thing? Putting out 5 young guys to be humiliated is hardly developmental. Guys learned when there is even a remote perception of hope. I'm not saying that the hope is in Peja but defenders and most teams know that he can still knock em down. I mean, you're practically getting molested out there and you have a guy with 14 mil sitting there doing nothing. I just don't know where the morale boost will come from.
    Getting playing time is developmental. Peja being out there might have made the final score being us losing by 13 instead of 20. At the end of the day, a loss is still a loss. He's not that much of a difference maker.

    And with a swollen knee at his age, you still gotta run and jump. However, Peja's been known as a soft player his whole career. He's probably pulling a Bosh and protecting himself so at least he ensures he actually gets another contract.

    But if you're looking at peja for that morale boost, that's kinda sad.

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    Quote MangoKid wrote: View Post
    And with a swollen knee at his age, you still gotta run and jump. However, Peja's been known as a soft player his whole career. He's probably pulling a Bosh and protecting himself so at least he ensures he actually gets another contract.
    And another thing. Picture this. The trade went down to hopefully use him as a trade asset at the deadline. Imagine Jay gets the wild idea to start putting him in the regular rotation for extended minutes and he blows his knee out and goes down with some other significant injury? Suddenly his trade value goes down...

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    And another thing. Picture this. The trade went down to hopefully use him as a trade asset at the deadline. Imagine Jay gets the wild idea to start putting him in the regular rotation for extended minutes and he blows his knee out and goes down with some other significant injury? Suddenly his trade value goes down...
    ya i agree 100% last thing we need is another trade chip getting injured...just hope BC does somthing with him sooner then later..

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    Yeah. I could see them potentially getting burned on Peja if their intention is to trade him. He's an injury waiting to happen and he was told he would be traded when moved here. He's expecting it. If he goes down and can't be moved then they should just send him home all together.

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    I think that if Colangelo didn't give a damn about trading the guy, they'd have him out there playing right now. It's all about protecting an asset.

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    Dont know how much of a coordinated effort it is between Peja & BC for him to just sit but if a player says he cant go then he cant and the org. has to prove he can and take him to an arbitrator (not to pay him). But obviously this is different. He is a here temporarily and I lean towards BC trying to protect his tradeability (a capable-to-play asset).

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    It was one game. What about the bunch they won prior? It's part of a rebuild/retool or whatever else you want to call it. The young guys need to take their lumps just like they need to savor victories. What message does it send to them when they're down if it's "ok", they'll be replaced and they can just sit back on the bench and quit? The only way you can learn to fight is by fighting and if they're not able or willing to fight back when faced with adversity then why are we wasting our time watching them play? I think it's great to leave them out there no matter the scenario in what should be a lost season. Peja's contract value is irrelevant. The Raptors never signed him to that deal and they have no intention of keeping him past the deadline. They'll be paying him for three months. He's here to facilitate the next move. If him getting paid not to play significant time is catching you up then remember that they were paying Sam Mitchell $5M/yr for two years not to coach. Going back even further they were paying Kevin O'Neil and Lenny Wilkins not to coach the first year they hired Sam Mitchell. In fact the year after, if I do recall, they traded for Alonzo Mourning and then gave him over $10M to just go away. Retooling isn't always pretty and if you approach it with the mind set that you must win at all costs then you could end up with a NY Knicks scenario where by they shoot themselves in the foot repeatedly until it's to the point where they're a decade removed from their last playoff appearance and little to show for it.

    Watching their losses as well as their wins, has been indicative that they have deficiencies in the 3-point area. Yes, let's develop our guys, they are the future. What's happening however is a development of bad habits and not good basketball. You have Calderon and Bayless that's forced to take threes, thereby negating their ability to distribute the ball. How is that good for the development of both Weems and DD? There's no spacing on the floor and they're running around like headless chickens. I'm not claiming to have Peja have a significant role in this team. But not playing at all because you're afraid of hurting the man? The franchise stands to gain from this when the guy they're trying to trade is not putting up any kind of number? The team needs a three point shooter. For 10-15 minutes off the bench, he can space the floor during this time. Ten to fifteen minutes from a guy earning 15 mil a season is too much "devastation" and "damage" to the development of our young players? What are they, 3? These are professional MEN, paid a lot of money to play. Even Peja knows how little he's able to do. His body ain't what it used to be. If we don't need 3-point shooting, Peja can knit from the bench for all I care.
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    Ok guys, it's obvious he IS NOT injured. Even Triano was asked what was the specific injury and he dodged the question and was like "hmmm not sure about that one". BC, Peja, and his agent I'm sure all decided to rest him another couple weeks and he will get traded. Expect to see us fetch a younger more spry 3.

    For me, this sucks, I like Peja as a shooter and he would be a good weapon to have.

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    Quote Balls of Steel wrote: View Post
    OK, so you got a guy on the bench earning 14 mil. and the team is getting creamed by 20. That's supposed to be a good thing? Putting out 5 young guys to be humiliated is hardly developmental. Guys learned when there is even a remote perception of hope. I'm not saying that the hope is in Peja but defenders and most teams know that he can still knock em down. I mean, you're practically getting molested out there and you have a guy with 14 mil sitting there doing nothing. I just don't know where the morale boost will come from.
    It is alright when they win against OKC, BOS, WSH, PHI but when they lose there is a problem? They were certainly flying high on wins and no one is calling for Peja.

    Raptors fans are going to go nuts if they are expecting those types of performances consistently this year. They are a young, inexperienced team - they are going to be like a yo-yo. For every BOS or OKC games there will be a IND or ATL.

    There is experience like playing the games. Hopefully they learn this year it takes consistent effort night in and night out to be successful in this league. those who don't get it will hopefully not be back.

    Peja playing solves nothing excepts endangers a trade asset with a sketchy injury history.

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    Quote Balls of Steel wrote: View Post
    Watching their losses as well as their wins, has been indicative that they have deficiencies in the 3-point area. Yes, let's develop our guys, they are the future. What's happening however is a development of bad habits and not good basketball.
    That's on the coaching staff. A player can develop bad habits anywhere. I don't think they're forged on game night because a lot more work and time goes in at practice. I think the emphasis should be on lots of minutes with benchings used as a punishment tool for not following the plan.

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    You have Calderon and Bayless that's forced to take threes, thereby negating their ability to distribute the ball.
    I don't think they're forced to take three. They need to be more creative and aggressive. Nobody forces Rondo or Parker to take threes because defenses are too busy on their heels fouling out.

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    There's no spacing on the floor and they're running around like headless chickens. I'm not claiming to have Peja have a significant role in this team. But not playing at all because you're afraid of hurting the man?
    Remember when Kapono was here? He was supposed to open up the floor and score a bunch of points. What happened? They glued a guy to him and teams still managed to clog the lanes. This team is bad right now. They're basically an apprenticeship organization for inexperienced players and coaches. The one legged Peja's long range isn't the answer. I think there is no answer this season.

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    But not playing at all because you're afraid of hurting the man? The franchise stands to gain from this when the guy they're trying to trade is not putting up any kind of number?
    Teams know what he can do. I think he should only play when it's time to shop him. He can get chance to post numbers then.

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    Ten to fifteen minutes from a guy earning 15 mil a season is too much "devastation" and "damage" to the development of our young players?
    I'm not sure what kind of impact you're thinking he's going to make in ten minutes. What if they play him like they played Kapono? The Raptors don't have the ability to punish teams for gluing someone to Peja. Peja doesn't have the ability to overcome tight coverage anymore.

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    These are professional MEN, paid a lot of money to play. Even Peja knows how little he's able to do. His body ain't what it used to be. If we don't need 3-point shooting, Peja can knit from the bench for all I care.
    They need it but it's not going to save them. Like I said before I think you're taking for granted opposing team strategy. They can glue a guy to Peja for ten minutes and come out unscathed.
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