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    Default Weems is Playing Himself Off This Team

    This guy frustrates me more and more every time he plays. The most selfish player on the court at all times (and that's counting whomever we're playing each night) and can singlehanded kill our momentum at the flick of a switch. Tonight was a pure example of what I'm talking about.

    A mental midget on offense who was sloppier than a drunk Grade 9'er at their first high school dance. Instead of taking notice of his play you think he would contribute in other ways. Say like, playing some defense. Nope. Lazy, lazy, lazy with no pressure at all.

    So considering he's playing for a contract the only thing I see this guy doing right now is playing himself off this team. Only problem we have is that the alternative right now isn't any better with Linas. So, Jay better show Weems some tough love because his play over the last while I feel is unacceptable.

    OK, rant over. Sorry for the rant. Just frustrated as a fan.

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    i been telling yall in other threads that weems is playing for a contract we need to trade him.

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    Quote South_Side_Jane wrote: View Post
    i been telling yall in other threads that weems is playing for a contract we need to trade him.
    Well, if he's playing for a contract the only takers I see right now are the Washington Generals.

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    Quote Doc Naismith wrote: View Post
    Well, if he's playing for a contract the only takers I see right now are the Washington Generals.
    dont think others team have noticed because no one talks about us lol

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    Quote South_Side_Jane wrote: View Post
    i been telling yall in other threads that weems is playing for a contract we need to trade him.
    Now, after his recent play there is no doubt he's playing for a contract but I think simply benching the guy would do for now. He's more useful as a throw in in a bigger trade if need be. When I say benching I mean healthy scratch. Put the guy in a suit at the end of the bench for a week to think about his game. Let's see him play himself into a bigger contract there.

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    Quote Doc Naismith wrote: View Post
    This guy frustrates me more and more every time he plays. The most selfish player on the court at all times (and that's counting whomever we're playing each night) and can singlehanded kill our momentum at the flick of a switch. Tonight was a pure example of what I'm talking about.

    A mental midget on offense who was sloppier than a drunk Grade 9'er at their first high school dance. Instead of taking notice of his play you think he would contribute in other ways. Say like, playing some defense. Nope. Lazy, lazy, lazy with no pressure at all.

    So considering he's playing for a contract the only thing I see this guy doing right now is playing himself off this team. Only problem we have is that the alternative right now isn't any better with Linas. So, Jay better show Weems some tough love because his play over the last while I feel is unacceptable.

    OK, rant over. Sorry for the rant. Just frustrated as a fan.
    A well-deserved rant.

    You are correct with Kleiza not being much of an alternative to start. Cleary, IMO, the number one priority moving forward has to be the wings.

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    Bayless does the same thing. If we're going to get rid of Weems for that reason we should get rid of Bayless.

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    Quote RaptorsFan4Life wrote: View Post
    Bayless does the same thing. If we're going to get rid of Weems for that reason we should get rid of Bayless.
    You know Bayless is 22, making his 14th career start, and has played less than 2 seasons of NBA ball averaging under 16 minutes a game?

    Oh yeah, and he did have a good game going until the final 5 minutes - 17 points and 9 assists. His shot was not consistent but he was attacking the rim despite this and finding his teammates.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    You know Bayless is 22, making his 14th career start, and has played less than 2 seasons of NBA ball averaging under 16 minutes a game?

    Oh yeah, and he did have a good game going until the final 5 minutes - 17 points and 9 assists. His shot was not consistent but he was attacking the rim despite this and finding his teammates.
    Exactly. His distribution is doing well, he is learning, and will have off nights. I like Weems, at least he seems a good cat, but this funk he is in is ridiculous. This is not an off night or two, it's an off night or 22. And if he is playing for a contract would one not think he would play well, at least hard? Uninspired defensive play does not help him. As a fringe player he should be looking to get a contract with the team he is with or find himself out of the league.

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    Quote RaptorsFan4Life wrote: View Post
    Bayless does the same thing. If we're going to get rid of Weems for that reason we should get rid of Bayless.
    I don't see it. Turnovers are bound to happen when your a PG, but stupid decisions like Weems makes night in, night out are unacceptable. Bayless still tries to get the offense involved. Weems plays by himself out there. Comparing to two is insulting to Bayless.

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    Quote Doc Naismith wrote: View Post
    I don't see it. Turnovers are bound to happen when your a PG, but stupid decisions like Weems makes night in, night out are unacceptable. Bayless still tries to get the offense involved. Weems plays by himself out there. Comparing to two is insulting to Bayless.
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    Quote RaptorsFan4Life wrote: View Post
    Bayless does the same thing. If we're going to get rid of Weems for that reason we should get rid of Bayless.
    Where does all this unjustified Bayless bashing come from?

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    Quote Doc Naismith wrote: View Post
    I don't see it. Turnovers are bound to happen when your a PG, but stupid decisions like Weems makes night in, night out are unacceptable. Bayless still tries to get the offense involved. Weems plays by himself out there. Comparing to two is insulting to Bayless.
    There were multiple times where he forces the play and attacks the rim even when it's guarded well and/or when there were guys wide open.

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    You know Bayless is 22, making his 14th career start, and has played less than 2 seasons of NBA ball averaging under 16 minutes a game?

    Oh yeah, and he did have a good game going until the final 5 minutes - 17 points and 9 assists. His shot was not consistent but he was attacking the rim despite this and finding his teammates.
    You do realize this is the first real year Weems is playing right?
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    Quote RaptorsFan4Life wrote: View Post
    You do realize this is the first real year Weems is playing right?
    I did realize but good point regardless. However, Weems has now started 35 games for the Raptors since the end of last season. There does not appear to be any overall growth on offense, defense, or decision making with the exception of momentary glimpses. Part of this is attributable to the fact he does not have NBA starter talent.

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    There were multiple times where he forces the play and attacks the rim even when it's guarded well and/or when there were guys wide open.
    But good PG's need to attack the rim when the chips are down. With the hopes of drawing fouls (unfortunately we didn't get the calls) or looking to dish off. Can't discredit the solid defense Charlotte played tonight, but Bayless' play as of late is far from anything we need to worry about. If anything we should be optimistic and excited about his future here in Toronto. I know I'm excited.

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    Just a few things on Weems;

    1. I'm indifferent to him, stay or leave it doesn't make a difference to me.
    2. This guy is a Shooting Guard he is not a Small Forward. He does not have the size strength or skill to match up against SFs in this league. However, it is no surprise that we (The Raptors) continue to shoe horn people into something they aren't.
    3. Weems has better handles and shooting range than our Shooting Guard DD (who can't shoot period). As I said I'm indifferent to trading him but would love to see how he performs if he was played his "natural position".

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    Quote Doc Naismith wrote: View Post
    But good PG's need to attack the rim when the chips are down. With the hopes of drawing fouls (unfortunately we didn't get the calls) or looking to dish off. Can't discredit the solid defense Charlotte played tonight, but Bayless' play as of late is far from anything we need to worry about. If anything we should be optimistic and excited about his future here in Toronto. I know I'm excited.
    The problem isn't that he's doing it, the problem is when and how much he's doing it. He doesn't have very good court vision and sometimes tries to do too much. Which is what's happening to Weems.

    IMO you guys are jumping the ship rather quick. He played amazing for a bunch of games then went of a slide. I'd wait till the season is over before take shots at his, especially give in his lack of experience.

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    People are expecting way too much from him too soon.

    Overall in the 11 games that has played for the Raptors he doing a good job.

    He will continue to get better over the next five seasons.
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    I don't expect too much from him, I expect triano to play him for 15 mins a game, as thats all a weems calibur player deserve. Thats what I expect. I like other fans just hate to see certain plays cost us so many games this year. I just don't want weems to jack up the shots he does as if he's the main banana on the team. If your gonna take a 3, why not let a player who makes it more often like andrea or bayless take it, rather than weems who jacks them up and brick it every time and hits one on a weekly basis rather than game to game.

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    I think that Bayless is doing a fantastic job filling in for Calderon. He got a little careless with the ball in the last 5 min. of the game last night but overall played a great game keeping his team in the game by feeding them the ball.I think in the long run Bayless is going to be a very good PG; he just needs the min. and with that experience! I really think they should continue starting him even when Calderon is ready to come back. Bring Calderon off the bench. Lets face it Calderon will be traded and Bayless will be our starting PG maybe even this year at trade deadline! As far as Weems I think he just tries to do too much and messes up with turn overs and ill advised shots. He is young he is going to make mistakes. He really is not a starter on any NBA team but he was forced into it when Linas turned out to be a dud. Lets face it when you are desperate on a team thats has nothing to show for it you start anybody you think can do the job that being Weems!! Take a look at Cleveland ; Joey Graham was a starter for them for a while not sure if he still is but give me a break Joey Graham!! If he can be a starter then Weems could be as well. The point is don`t give up on Sony and especially not Bayless if Sony would only settle down and just go to the hoop and not settle for so many jump shots he would be what the raptors need. Look at Bargs last night he was lost out there and he wouldn`t go to the hoop which would then set up his long 3`s.

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