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    This guy frustrates me more and more every time he plays. The most selfish player on the court at all times (and that's counting whomever we're playing each night) and can singlehanded kill our momentum at the flick of a switch. Tonight was a pure example of what I'm talking about.

    A mental midget on offense who was sloppier than a drunk Grade 9'er at their first high school dance. Instead of taking notice of his play you think he would contribute in other ways. Say like, playing some defense. Nope. Lazy, lazy, lazy with no pressure at all.

    So considering he's playing for a contract the only thing I see this guy doing right now is playing himself off this team. Only problem we have is that the alternative right now isn't any better with Linas. So, Jay better show Weems some tough love because his play over the last while I feel is unacceptable.

    OK, rant over. Sorry for the rant. Just frustrated as a fan.

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    i been telling yall in other threads that weems is playing for a contract we need to trade him.

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    Quote Doc Naismith wrote: View Post
    This guy frustrates me more and more every time he plays. The most selfish player on the court at all times (and that's counting whomever we're playing each night) and can singlehanded kill our momentum at the flick of a switch. Tonight was a pure example of what I'm talking about.

    A mental midget on offense who was sloppier than a drunk Grade 9'er at their first high school dance. Instead of taking notice of his play you think he would contribute in other ways. Say like, playing some defense. Nope. Lazy, lazy, lazy with no pressure at all.

    So considering he's playing for a contract the only thing I see this guy doing right now is playing himself off this team. Only problem we have is that the alternative right now isn't any better with Linas. So, Jay better show Weems some tough love because his play over the last while I feel is unacceptable.

    OK, rant over. Sorry for the rant. Just frustrated as a fan.
    A well-deserved rant.

    You are correct with Kleiza not being much of an alternative to start. Cleary, IMO, the number one priority moving forward has to be the wings.

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    Bayless does the same thing. If we're going to get rid of Weems for that reason we should get rid of Bayless.

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    Quote South_Side_Jane wrote: View Post
    i been telling yall in other threads that weems is playing for a contract we need to trade him.
    Well, if he's playing for a contract the only takers I see right now are the Washington Generals.

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    Quote Doc Naismith wrote: View Post
    Well, if he's playing for a contract the only takers I see right now are the Washington Generals.
    dont think others team have noticed because no one talks about us lol

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    Bayless does the same thing. If we're going to get rid of Weems for that reason we should get rid of Bayless.
    You know Bayless is 22, making his 14th career start, and has played less than 2 seasons of NBA ball averaging under 16 minutes a game?

    Oh yeah, and he did have a good game going until the final 5 minutes - 17 points and 9 assists. His shot was not consistent but he was attacking the rim despite this and finding his teammates.
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    Bayless does the same thing. If we're going to get rid of Weems for that reason we should get rid of Bayless.
    I don't see it. Turnovers are bound to happen when your a PG, but stupid decisions like Weems makes night in, night out are unacceptable. Bayless still tries to get the offense involved. Weems plays by himself out there. Comparing to two is insulting to Bayless.

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    Quote RaptorsFan4Life wrote: View Post
    Bayless does the same thing. If we're going to get rid of Weems for that reason we should get rid of Bayless.
    Where does all this unjustified Bayless bashing come from?

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    Quote Doc Naismith wrote: View Post
    I don't see it. Turnovers are bound to happen when your a PG, but stupid decisions like Weems makes night in, night out are unacceptable. Bayless still tries to get the offense involved. Weems plays by himself out there. Comparing to two is insulting to Bayless.
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    I don't see it. Turnovers are bound to happen when your a PG, but stupid decisions like Weems makes night in, night out are unacceptable. Bayless still tries to get the offense involved. Weems plays by himself out there. Comparing to two is insulting to Bayless.
    There were multiple times where he forces the play and attacks the rim even when it's guarded well and/or when there were guys wide open.

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    You know Bayless is 22, making his 14th career start, and has played less than 2 seasons of NBA ball averaging under 16 minutes a game?

    Oh yeah, and he did have a good game going until the final 5 minutes - 17 points and 9 assists. His shot was not consistent but he was attacking the rim despite this and finding his teammates.
    You do realize this is the first real year Weems is playing right?
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    Quote RaptorsFan4Life wrote: View Post
    You do realize this is the first real year Weems is playing right?
    I did realize but good point regardless. However, Weems has now started 35 games for the Raptors since the end of last season. There does not appear to be any overall growth on offense, defense, or decision making with the exception of momentary glimpses. Part of this is attributable to the fact he does not have NBA starter talent.

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    There were multiple times where he forces the play and attacks the rim even when it's guarded well and/or when there were guys wide open.
    But good PG's need to attack the rim when the chips are down. With the hopes of drawing fouls (unfortunately we didn't get the calls) or looking to dish off. Can't discredit the solid defense Charlotte played tonight, but Bayless' play as of late is far from anything we need to worry about. If anything we should be optimistic and excited about his future here in Toronto. I know I'm excited.

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    Just a few things on Weems;

    1. I'm indifferent to him, stay or leave it doesn't make a difference to me.
    2. This guy is a Shooting Guard he is not a Small Forward. He does not have the size strength or skill to match up against SFs in this league. However, it is no surprise that we (The Raptors) continue to shoe horn people into something they aren't.
    3. Weems has better handles and shooting range than our Shooting Guard DD (who can't shoot period). As I said I'm indifferent to trading him but would love to see how he performs if he was played his "natural position".

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    But good PG's need to attack the rim when the chips are down. With the hopes of drawing fouls (unfortunately we didn't get the calls) or looking to dish off. Can't discredit the solid defense Charlotte played tonight, but Bayless' play as of late is far from anything we need to worry about. If anything we should be optimistic and excited about his future here in Toronto. I know I'm excited.
    The problem isn't that he's doing it, the problem is when and how much he's doing it. He doesn't have very good court vision and sometimes tries to do too much. Which is what's happening to Weems.

    IMO you guys are jumping the ship rather quick. He played amazing for a bunch of games then went of a slide. I'd wait till the season is over before take shots at his, especially give in his lack of experience.

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    The problem isn't that he's doing it, the problem is when and how much he's doing it. He doesn't have very good court vision and sometimes tries to do too much. Which is what's happening to Weems.

    IMO you guys are jumping the ship rather quick. He played amazing for a bunch of games then went of a slide. I'd wait till the season is over before take shots at his, especially give in his lack of experience.
    Since Bayless has been with the Raptors he has played 11 games.

    With the Raptors he is averaging 23 MPG and 4.5 APG

    Baron Davis is the only player in the league who is averaging 25 or fewer MPG and more APG than Bayless.

    I could only imagine how many APG he would get if he had "court vision"
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    Quote RaptorsFan4Life wrote: View Post
    IMO you guys are jumping the ship rather quick. He played amazing for a bunch of games then went of a slide. I'd wait till the season is over before take shots at his, especially give in his lack of experience.
    Well I don't know about the rest of the fans, but at best I thought Weems was bench player who could give you a decent 10 to 15 minutes of energy per game. And that was last season. Not basing my opinion on this year.

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    The problem isn't that he's doing it, the problem is when and how much he's doing it. He doesn't have very good court vision and sometimes tries to do too much.
    I would tend to agree with the bolded sections. I think this has more to do with being on his third team in 2 months, being thrust in to the starters role with Jose out, and deferring to his natural instincts in an unfamiliar role and setting. It would have been nice to have him around for training camp and pre-season.

    Bayless - despite the last 5 minutes tonight - is growing on me. I was expecting good things coming in but he has really surprised me. I'm still not sold on him being the PG of the future for the Raps but now I can at least entertain the possibility.

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    I agree with you, Weems thinks hes in the same class as the kobe bryant's and tries to create shots himself totally out of sync with the raptors offence. He's not a starter on any team in this league. Hes a bench player who should play 15 mins a game at most. I hope if he does resign with the raptors its no more than above the league minimum as thats all he deserves.

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    People are expecting way too much from him too soon.

    Overall in the 11 games that has played for the Raptors he doing a good job.

    He will continue to get better over the next five seasons.
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