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    Default Total Speculation: Jose to Minnesota?

    "When the Toronto Raptors traded prized back-up point guard Jarrett Jack to the New Orleans Hornets they lost their primary back-up to Jose Calderon, and while Jerryd Bayless can play some point, he seems better suited to the two-guard spot. The Raptors, too, have been in contact with the Timberwolves regarding Flynn, who would play behind Calderon in the spot once occupied by Jack."

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    I wonder since Minnesota seems confident they will get Rubio to join the team next year, would having Calderon around help with the transition and luring of him?

    Minnesota would be one of the few teams in the league able to take Calderon and the remaining two years of his contract on.

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    Johnny Flynn would be a huge score if they can land him at a reasonable price.

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    I'd love Flynn, but like Apollo said, we'd need him to come at a reasonable price. I don't think Calderon would be that much of a lure for Rubio as Rubio would want a starting position and major minutes from the get-go.

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    Where in that blurb does it suggest Jose could be on his way to Minny?

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    Quote Doc Naismith wrote: View Post
    Where in that blurb does it suggest Jose could be on his way to Minny?
    That was my 'total speculation'. What do you think BC is offering to MIN if Flynn is availalbe? Dupree? lol

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    That was my 'total speculation'. What do you think BC is offering to MIN if Flynn is availalbe? Dupree? lol
    Probably an expiring and a sweetner - Evans and the Miami first rounder.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    That was my 'total speculation'. What do you think BC is offering to MIN if Flynn is availalbe? Dupree? lol
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    Probably an expiring and a sweetner - Evans and the Miami first rounder.
    What Mango said. Although I love Bayless, I think exclusively handling the reigns at PG over to him and Flynn is a huge risk at this point. It's nice to have at least some vet experience with Jose even if fans don't think he's the right fit with Toronto at the present time.

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    I didn't see it either. It just said that Flynn could come here and be a backup to Jose. I guess the thinking is the acquisition of Jose would lure Rubio to Minnesota.

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    Minny is short on SG's. DeRozan for Flynn? Weems/Mia 1st Round for Flynn?

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Minny is short on SG's. DeRozan for Flynn? Weems/Mia 1st Round for Flynn?
    That's giving up too much talent on our end. Flynn is decent, but he's not worth Derozan. And I'd rather keep Weems. Gotta do something with the expirings we have.

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    IMO Calderon/Bayless/Barbosa is solid. Not sure how Flynn helps the team, unless one our three PGs/combos goes the other way. Is Flynn an upgrade to any of these 3 at the moment? Not really, so why bother?

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    Quote Quirk wrote: View Post
    IMO Calderon/Bayless/Barbosa is solid. Not sure how Flynn helps the team, unless one our three PGs/combos goes the other way. Is Flynn an upgrade to any of these 3 at the moment? Not really, so why bother?
    I'd have to disagree. Flynn is 21 and had a solid rookie season before a hip injury slowed him down this year. I'd take Flynn over Bayless. Barbosa is not a true PG. Calderon is great when healthy but the problem is then he gets injured again or has one of his bad games, plus, his contract is a burden for the Raptors, IMO. Given his injury history, the fact he is 29, and he has been playing very well since starting, I'd move him at the first opportunity. The Raptors are not good enough at PG to be content with what they have - you know what you are getting with Calderon as he has peaked, Barbosa is a not a true PG, and Bayless is still learning to run a team and create for others.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I'd have to disagree. Flynn is 21 and had a solid rookie season before a hip injury slowed him down this year. I'd take Flynn over Bayless. Barbosa is not a true PG. Calderon is great when healthy but the problem is then he gets injured again or has one of his bad games, plus, his contract is a burden for the Raptors, IMO. Given his injury history, the fact he is 29, and he has been playing very well since starting, I'd move him at the first opportunity. The Raptors are not good enough at PG to be content with what they have - you know what you are getting with Calderon as he has peaked, Barbosa is a not a true PG, and Bayless is still learning to run a team and create for others.
    Not sure, I'm no expert in player evaluation to be sure, but Bayless has pretty similar per36 stats as Flynn, and better advanced stats; per, ws, wp48. So it doesn't seem like Flynn is a can't miss upgrade, why not stick with the guy we already have? Especially since Calderon is an ideal backcourt mate who can start or backup depending on where Bayless is in his development, and a combo gaurd in Barbosa seems the perfect 3 option since he backs up the 2 as well. No doubt we are not good enough to not consider an upgrade should a top tier PG or PG prospect where available, but I'm not sure Flynn is it, or even what he has over Bayless.

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    I like our present point guard position. Ideally the minutes will transfer from Calderon to Bayless over time. The 1 and 1A point guard option has not worked well for us in the past and I think this situation would show worse on younger players. Unless there is a real upgrade on Bayless ??? I would like to give him every opportunity to develop. I think in his time here he has shown reasons why we should.

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    If it'll cost us Weems and a first-rounder, then a solid hell yea! There is danger in giving up on Derozan right now. I feel that he's still learning but he's clearly not maturing as fast as Jennings or Fields. Can't give up on the kid now.
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    There is noway you can get Flynn by just giving them Evans and Miami's draft pick. Wolfs would want alot more than that.
    They might ask for our First Round Pick instead of Miami or Bayless as well.

    I say lets give them Miami's pick, Evans, Bayless and Amir Johnson and Buddah Fan

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    Quote Raptor4Ever wrote: View Post
    There is noway you can get Flynn by just giving them Evans and Miami's draft pick. Wolfs would want alot more than that.
    They might ask for our First Round Pick instead of Miami or Bayless as well.

    I say lets give them Miami's pick, Evans, Bayless and Amir Johnson and Buddah Fan
    Flynn isn't worth our own pick. There's a reason why they're shopping a young PG. You might as well lowball them, with an expiring and a first rounder - which in essence, isn't that bad of an offer. It's not quality, but it's not horrendous. I wouldn't give them Bayless either. At this point, I consider Jerryd a better player. Better size, better shooter and just as a good defender.

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    Quote Balls of Steel wrote: View Post
    If it'll cost us Weems and a first-rounder, then a solid hell yea! There is danger in giving up on Derozan right now. I feel that he's still learning but he's clearly not maturing as fast as Jennings or Fields. Can't give up on the kid now.
    If we can get Brewer in the deal as well, I'd happily deal Weems.

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    It just said Flynn would play behind Jose. Not Jose to TWolves. *sigh*
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    At this point, I'd prefer to see where the Raptors land in the standings. If they look destined to be outside the lottery I might pursue Flynn. If they find themselves en route to a lottery pick, I might take a longer look at what is available for June 2011. Flynn's trade value is going to fluctuate quite a bit depending on his performance and the certainty of Ricky Rubio's arrival. Sit tight, have a clear idea of what you're willing to part with but don't start coveting the guy.

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