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    Default Is DeRozan's Defense Worse than Bargnani's?

    Unfortunately from what I have observed DeRozan's defense is definitely worse than Bargnani's defense

    What do you guys/gals think?

    Does DeRozan's defense suck or what?

    It is almost as bad as Johnson's mental lapses and foul problem
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    fouling a 3 point shooter twice the other night was ridiculous (tho the one time crawford embellished it a little)

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    yes sir it is! do I think he can fix it- absolutely

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    DeRozan is making mistakes due to a lack of experience. He has all the tools to be a very good defender. He has the work ethic and conditioning to make it happen. The better question is to ask how they compare at age 21. Wait, Bargnani was only a rookie who was so weak and lost that Jose Calderon could probably post him up all night long.
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    DeRozan will improve his defense. He's 21, 6'7 and is a freak athlete. I would still give him time, he doesn't have that many games under his belt

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    Exactly. People forget that three years ago one of his biggest concerns was if he could afford a limo to go to the prom. Give the kid time. He received basic defensive training in high school. His head was spinning for most of his one year of college and ditto for his rookie season as a pro.
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    Of course his defence is worse than bargs right now....its kinda atrocious. Bargs can cover his man 1 on 1 , without too much of an issue, Demar can't do tat. The problem with bargs is well, his team D is atrocious. However.... Demar as said by a few people already is that he is young so he can still learn atleast same with bargs to a point and on top of this this is trash or close to it, so let demar attempt to play some D i guess.

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    Only Jose has been worse than Andrea this year defensively. Demar's has been poor, but not that poor.

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    Joe Johnson completely sold that greasy call. Same with Crawford. Derozan lapsed for a second with his hands somewhat down and Johnson reacted and sold it big time, doesnt deserve a foul for that ugly shit.

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    STOP hating on my boy ppl. I can bank on the fact that he will continue to improve his O and find his niche on D. Like Appolo said DeMar makes mistakes because of his lack of inexperience. Give him time people and get off his back.

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    I think it's more impatience than anything. I've been going on these board for a very long time now and any rookie the Raptors have ever drafted who wasn't an instant smash(Carter and Mighty Mouse) gets tossed under the bus with any and all opportunities. It's why, if the fans were to decide, Bargnani wouldn't have lasted in Toronto any longer than November 2006. It's my belief you need to use the "NFL Receiver Rule" on most rookies. That "rule" is you need to wait at least three full seasons before you can determine any real idea of what a player could amount to.
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    at derozan's age, i was busy trying to steal other people's crappy spit in draught beer at the brunny, haggling lap dance discounts from strippers for weed, and trying to convince girls to tug it in the back row of movie theatres... so i think he's doing just fine.

    give him time to grow up.

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    It's a good think Derozon is shining offensively because his defense is awful... and I would say worse than Bargnani's.

    Fouling a 3 point shooter twice is pathetic, especially in the same half. For someone so "athletic" he also can't keep guys in front of him. His IQ will improve but considering his athleticism he should be a far better defender. Derozan being a SG picks up fouls like Amir. Someone mentioned impatience. That's correct but a nice way of saying lacks discipline and takes unnecessary risks.

    Derozan will also bulk up with age which will benefit him, but now his defense is atrocious.
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    No.

    The talent Derozan is facing at the SG position every game pales in comparison to that Bargs is facing.

    Although I do agree that Derozan is not a good defender.

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    The SG position typically has the best athlete and shooter combo on a team. Guarding them is a tough assignment. Anticipation is a big asset to have here and DD can only get that with experience and knowing the tendencies of his peers.

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    Guys, you can argue that every position has tough covers.

    The Centre position is VERY tough, come on. Dwight Howard? Shaq? Noah? Bogut? Horford? Those dudes are big bangers too.

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    I'd say it's close, but three things that work in his favour are that he's just in his second season and is only 21, he is renowned for being a very hard worker and does try on defense, and he is not a big man, where his poor defense is amplified.
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    Problem is that DD doesn't even try to defend, so I'm unable to understand if its good or not.

    Since last year he got his 22 minutes / game regardless of everything.

    That was one of the reason why we haven't been so successfull with CB4 in his prime.

    If BC was really trying to build around CB4 he needed to find a serious SG.
    He didn't, Instead preferred to give the start to DD.
    And CB4 left.

    And DD, with his 22 minutes regardless of his defence, is not even interested to try hard to play D.
    In fact, he try harder against big names, and got screwed by averages SG.


    oh, And please stop saying that he is an Hard worked based on NO FACT.
    AMIR did a pretty good job on shooting this summer and everybody can see it

    DD J is the same as last year.
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    In addition to his inexperience and lack of man strength, Demar's got poor lateral quicks and an unimpressive wingspan working against him physically. He needs to work on his quickness hard in the offseason.

    In addition to his poor reaction time and general laziness, Andrea just doesn't seem to know what his defensive responsibilities are half the time. Not sure if he has the mental fortitude to fix this.

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    Quote Multipaul wrote: View Post
    Guys, you can argue that every position has tough covers.

    The Centre position is VERY tough, come on. Dwight Howard? Shaq? Noah? Bogut? Horford? Those dudes are big bangers too.
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    DeMar conceivably could be called upon to guard seven out of those ten. Bargnani on the other hand, two out of ten. By the way there are only four centers in the top fifty scorers.

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