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Thread: Colangelo's Job Safe Long Term? (New article referenced in post #115)

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    Default Colangelo's Job Safe Long Term? (New article referenced in post #115)

    An article from the NY Post. First the B.S.

    Bryan Colangelo is on the final year of his contract as Raptors president and someone who used to work for the franchise (no, not Isiah Thomas, no, not Butch Carter, no, aw, forget it) claims he's in danger of being released when it expires June 30 or possibly months earlier.
    The B.S. continued through the obvious NY Post direction about how this means Colangelo probably could potentially may come to New York. Typical Vecsey nonsense...

    Oddly enough he talked to someone else instead of dropping an inaccurate bomb on the basketball world.

    I hate when someone shames me into doing that. It's so damn time-consuming and often spoils a juicy story.
    That's funny because based on all the bogus crap Vecsey has written in the past I figured he felt no shame. Anyway, common sense prevailed this time as he got another opinion:

    At least one person close to Bryan bristled when I ran the above suspicious by him.
    It galled the guy even more that I'm speculating Bryan might trespass on Walsh's land without first substantiating whether his Raptors days really are numbered.
    "I know the perception of the staff internally is that Bryan is going to be extended before Richard Peddie steps down at CEO of Maple Leaf Sports & Entertainment," e-mailed someone in prime position to confirm or deny such an allegation. "I believe Richard 100% when he says publicly he's committed to getting an extension done with Bryan.

    "With plausible rumors of a change in majority ownership swirling, and with Richard participating in the selection of his own replacement (he announced his resignation a couple months ago, effective Dec. 31 this year), I believe the last thing he wants to do is to conduct a search for B.C's replacement.

    "Richard is not bluffing when he gives his full support to Bryan--so, if a change were to get made it would be entirely the result of ownership's decision, and ownership really likes Bryan. In fact, I believe the ownership/management situation gives B.C. considerable leverage in negotiating an extension."
    "It's hard to fathom the majority ownership making a change with either the Raptors or Leafs GM if they're intent on selling. It's equally hard to fathom them making a change in either position if they're not selling -- and so far they've not said they're selling in the near future."
    someone else on the scene owning peripheral vision on such matters, there's a long-term plan in place, with an emphasis on patience, that's supported by both Bryan and ownership.

    "When our team lost Chris Bosh to free agency, traded Hedo Turkoglu and injuries dragged us down more, we became all about rebuilding and focusing on youth development."
    Source: NYpost.com

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    Can't see Colangelo being let go after this season. A lot of people rag on him, but he brings a lot of stability to this franchise.

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    Going into this off-season we will be in good shape money wise and have 2 first round picks and a high second rounder. With some good young players (although I am not sold on them yet) in DeMar, Ed, Amir, Jarryd, and Andrea (yes he is still young and good) and a few trade-able assets in Jose, Barbosa, and even Linas, this team has a chance to start to take shape in the near future.

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    Quote MangoKid wrote: View Post
    Can't see Colangelo being let go after this season. A lot of people rag on him, but he brings a lot of stability to this franchise.
    Only the stability of losing, and ensuring there will be 6 new players on the roster every year.

    Where and when has there ever been stability in Colangelo's reign as the GM of the Raptors?

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    Only the stability of losing, and ensuring there will be 6 new players on the roster every year.

    Where and when has there ever been stability in Colangelo's reign as the GM of the Raptors?
    Please do tell me, who exactly would you hire to replace him? The guy has a pretty decent reputation around the league (2 EOY awards), and he's quick to remedy any mistakes he makes. Of course when he was hired, we went to the playoffs 2 years in a row after being out of it for 5-6 seasons. I would say that's pretty good. Everytime something goes wrong, you can't just fire the front office. There are always going to be ups and downs in a franchise. What's transpiring now is what's best for the franchise.

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    Though I do completely agree with Mango, stability may not have been the best word. But that has to do with circumstances, rather than ability. In my opinion.
    He brings a calm, and a demeanour to the Raptors that otherwise would be seriously lacking.
    He doesn't panic, and doesn't make 'panic moves'.
    He is HIGHLY respected throughout the league, isn't afraid to make a move, nor is he afraid to admit to being wrong and correct his mistake. And unless the Raptors can get... actually I can't think of another GM I'd like to see on the Raps; and don't say Kevin Pritchard. There's a reason he was fired, and subsequently not hired, since he left Portland.

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    love bc...just wished we had rudy gay right now

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    Quote joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    Though I do completely agree with Mango, stability may not have been the best word. But that has to do with circumstances, rather than ability. In my opinion.
    He brings a calm, and a demeanour to the Raptors that otherwise would be seriously lacking.
    He doesn't panic, and doesn't make 'panic moves'.
    He is HIGHLY respected throughout the league, isn't afraid to make a move, nor is he afraid to admit to being wrong and correct his mistake. And unless the Raptors can get... actually I can't think of another GM I'd like to see on the Raps; and don't say Kevin Pritchard. There's a reason he was fired, and subsequently not hired, since he left Portland.
    So you wouldn't say that's a stabilizing force? I would catergorize that as being a stable figure in the organization.

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    Quote MangoKid wrote: View Post
    Please do tell me, who exactly would you hire to replace him? The guy has a pretty decent reputation around the league (2 EOY awards), and he's quick to remedy any mistakes he makes. Of course when he was hired, we went to the playoffs 2 years in a row after being out of it for 5-6 seasons. I would say that's pretty good. Everytime something goes wrong, you can't just fire the front office. There are always going to be ups and downs in a franchise. What's transpiring now is what's best for the franchise.
    +100 I STILL have yet to see, on ALL these type of sites, where everyone wants BC fired, what GM wants to WILLINGLY come here and take over. THEN< I want to see what players that they'll bring here. Also, what players this "God sent GM" will let go of, who's either a core player or difference maker. I still say we keep BC. He's a competitor and a great business mind. Is he perfect? Nope. But neither is the "best" GM out there, either.
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    Quote MangoKid wrote: View Post
    Please do tell me, who exactly would you hire to replace him? The guy has a pretty decent reputation around the league (2 EOY awards), and he's quick to remedy any mistakes he makes. Of course when he was hired, we went to the playoffs 2 years in a row after being out of it for 5-6 seasons. I would say that's pretty good. Everytime something goes wrong, you can't just fire the front office. There are always going to be ups and downs in a franchise. What's transpiring now is what's best for the franchise.
    They would have to land a guy like Kevin Pritchard. I don't like how he handled his salary dispute with the Blazers but he does have an eye for talent. And before anyone jumps on me, in regards to any name I mention in here, in no way am I suggesting Colangelo should get axed for that person. Just throwing out names in case Colangelo was let go.

    Colangelo has taken a lot of big gambles here and most have failed. Some of his gambles failed in Phoenix as well but he hit some nice homers. I don't see him hitting homers here. He will get extended and if he doesn't become productive during that contact he won't last.
    Last edited by Apollo; Tue Jan 25th, 2011 at 11:30 AM.

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    Quote MangoKid wrote: View Post
    Please do tell me, who exactly would you hire to replace him? The guy has a pretty decent reputation around the league (2 EOY awards), and he's quick to remedy any mistakes he makes. Of course when he was hired, we went to the playoffs 2 years in a row after being out of it for 5-6 seasons. I would say that's pretty good. Everytime something goes wrong, you can't just fire the front office. There are always going to be ups and downs in a franchise. What's transpiring now is what's best for the franchise.
    I love the "who would you replace him" with comments like he's made him self irreplaceable. There are many assistant GM's in this league that would love a shot to run the big show. Cho just got his Portland job after being an assistant with the Thunder. Presti was under the same kind of evolution before he got his shot. Just because there is not a name ready to be thrown out, doesn't mean they aren't there. Colangelo is not the only GM in the league folks. Sure he's quick to remedy mistakes.....they are usually the one's he made, O'Neal, Turks, etc, etc. They went to the playoffs 2 years in a row when Bosh and Mitchell were around and the pieces the GM threw together were handled well by the coaching staff at the time. Everyone is now gone except him and the results speak for themselves.

    What's transpiring now would be best for the franchise if it didn't include Bryan Colangelo. His basketball philosophy will never win and he is only concerned with putting an entertaining product on the court when the goal should be winning championships.

    The collection of talent he has assembled is a joke and there is no stability in this franchise right now. From top on down there are far more questions than answers with the Toronto Raptors franchise.
    Last edited by sleepz; Tue Jan 25th, 2011 at 11:35 AM.

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    Quote MangoKid wrote: View Post
    So you wouldn't say that's a stabilizing force? I would catergorize that as being a stable figure in the organization.
    So he's stable for being unstable? What's stable about this guy? Does he have a plan of action? Do the Raps have a definitive style of play other than being sieves defensively? Is the young talent on this roster that good that we know we'll be a strong team in a few years? It's been 5 years and the team is in worse shape than when he got here. If this was Babcock running this show for the last 5 years would you be calling him stable? No, you would be calling for his head.

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    Just going to throw this out there. Glen Grunwald accomplished more than Bryan Colangelo has in Toronto.

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    Quote sleepz wrote: View Post
    I love the "who would you replace him" with comments like he's made him self irreplaceable. There are many assistant GM's in this league that would love a shot to run the big show. Cho just got his Portland job as an assistant with the Thunder. Presti was under the same kind of evolution before he got his shot. Colangelo is not the only GM in the league folks. Sure he's quick to remedy mistakes.....they are usually the one's he made, O'Neal, Turks, etc, etc. They went to the playoffs 2 years in a row when Bosh and Mitchell were around and the pieces the GM threw together were handled well by the coaching staff at the time. Everyone is now gone except him and the results speak for themselves.

    What's transpiring now would be best for the franchise if it didn't include Bryan Colangelo. His basketball philosophy will never win and he is only concerned with putting an entertaining product on the court when the goal should be winning championships.

    The collection of talent he has assembled is a joke and there is no stability in this franchise right now. From top on down there are far more questions than answers with the Toronto Raptors franchsie.
    I love when people sit back and criticize because it's the easiest thing to do. As of right now, Colangelo is slowly building this team to be a team that can compete year in and out. He tried to appease to a fanbase that was hungry for the playoffs and he did that the first few years. He bent over backwards to please this team's star and when it wasn't enough, he did the right thing by letting him walk.
    You talk about Rick Cho - what has Cho done since he went to the Blazers? What did he do for the Sonics? He was an assistant GM in 2000 and between that time and 2008, the team made the playoffs twice. Yup, that's success. Presti had the good fortune of having high draft selections in multiple years. It wasn't a case that the Thunder wouldn't drawn, so it wasn't a case that he had to sell the team to the city, that they had to have a winner immediately. They're the only game in town.
    Let's see how good he is in 5 years time when Durant's contract is up. Let's see him sell Durant on staying in OKC when bigger markets come calling then we can talk about how good the guy is.

    It's tough enough being the only franchise not located in the US, so you need a guy who's gonna sell not only the fans, but the players on this team and city. You can't just have a revolving door of front office personnel. You don't exactly build a good reputation that way.

    I don't know how you can say there's no stability with this franchise when there are young assets on this team. To discount that is looking at the glass half empty.

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    Quote sleepz wrote: View Post
    What's transpiring now would be best for the franchise if it didn't include Bryan Colangelo. His basketball philosophy will never win and he is only concerned with putting an entertaining product on the court when the goal should be winning championships.
    In a city dominated by the Leafs, that plays during the same months, it's important to put an exciting brand of basketball out on the court to entice the fans to buy tickets to the game, to buy merchandise, to tune in to games. But exciting basketball and winning go hand in hand. Who plays losing but exciting basketball?

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    The collection of talent he has assembled is a joke and there is no stability in this franchise right now. From top on down there are far more questions than answers with the Toronto Raptors franchise.
    So Davis, DeRozan, Bargnani, Johnson, Bayless are all jokes? Because from what I've seen, those guys have some pretty decent talent. Maybe you're watching something else.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    Just going to throw this out there. Glen Grunwald accomplished more than Bryan Colangelo has in Toronto.
    No doubt about it.

    And Isaiah's draft record is considerably better than Colangelo's

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    Quote sleepz wrote: View Post
    No doubt about it.

    And Isaiah's draft record is considerably better than Colangelo's
    Now you're just being an absolute "hater". While Thomas does have a very good track record of being an evaluator of talent, Colangelo is solid in his own right.

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    Zeke was an excellent talent evaluator but made poor business decisions. Colangelo is a better GM than him because he also has a very good draft record and unlike Zeke has been able to remove his mistakes. Not that he's moved the team ahead in the standings or playoffs but he hasn't crippled the franchise either like Zeke did with the Knicks and might have done with the Raptors.
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    I like what BC is doing, and I will admit I like what he has TRIED to do in the past. I see a very strong knack for trades, needs to improve on FA signings, and needs to listen to scouts only for the draft.

    As for Pritchard, I am not in favour, with a guy who has assembled a talented but fragile broken down team...I feel for Cho. Pritchard is probably waiting on a certain position, but shouldn't have now that teams will add his Brandon Roy, Oden, etc to his resume.

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    Quote MangoKid wrote: View Post
    I love when people sit back and criticize because it's the easiest thing to do. As of right now, Colangelo is slowly building this team to be a team that can compete year in and out. He tried to appease to a fanbase that was hungry for the playoffs and he did that the first few years. He bent over backwards to please this team's star and when it wasn't enough, he did the right thing by letting him walk.
    You talk about Rick Cho - what has Cho done since he went to the Blazers? What did he do for the Sonics? He was an assistant GM in 2000 and between that time and 2008, the team made the playoffs twice. Yup, that's success. Presti had the good fortune of having high draft selections in multiple years. It wasn't a case that the Thunder wouldn't drawn, so it wasn't a case that he had to sell the team to the city, that they had to have a winner immediately. They're the only game in town.
    Let's see how good he is in 5 years time when Durant's contract is up. Let's see him sell Durant on staying in OKC when bigger markets come calling then we can talk about how good the guy is.

    It's tough enough being the only franchise not located in the US, so you need a guy who's gonna sell not only the fans, but the players on this team and city. You can't just have a revolving door of front office personnel. You don't exactly build a good reputation that way.

    I don't know how you can say there's no stability with this franchise when there are young assets on this team. To discount that is looking at the glass half empty.
    Criticizing him is not the easiest thing to do. Based on his results and the facts it's the only thing to do.

    He bent over backawards to please the teams star? By incorporating his own Eurovision of high scoring shooting basketball? No need for rebounding if shots are going in right?lol. I won't even get into the drafting and player personnel moves.

    Cho just got to the Blazers so what can he do other than his team competing night in night out and not using injuries as an excuse? You want to see injuries, go look at the Blazers, which I respect as opposed to the incessant whining about Weems back or Jose's foot. If they had a deep team assembled injuries wouldn't be a crutch or an excuse to use cuz all teams have to go through it. Look at those teams like the Blazers and Thunder and there is no question they are assembled for long term success WAY more than the Rap's, so you can diss all you want but those teams actually are stable and have stable management and ownership and will continue to thrive and get better while Raps fans cling on to scraps like Colangelo. You think those franchises would consider re-upping a GM that has done nothing of consequence the past 5 years except let his best player walk for a late 1st round draft pick and an exemption that was once an "asset" in his own words that they "might not use now"?lol. Or he was duped by Bosh no so none of it was his fault? Keep slurping the kool aid man.

    These young assets you refer to, (outside of Ed Davis, who I enjoy watching play) how many of these 'assets' would be playing regularly on other teams? When Colangelo talks I laugh cause everything is an 'asset' even when it's depreciating rapidly, like this teams reputation throughout the league.

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