Demar can't be Ray Allen. He literally has no range while Ray Allen is the best 3 point shooter in the history of the NBA. Right now Demar is shooting 8% from 3 point line (25 or 27 attempts).
I disagree with most
DeRozan seems more like a mix between T-Mac/Vince/Terrence Williams. Athletic, Big, never too keen on defense, great dunker and decent mid-range jumper.
Calderon too me, is like a less talented and injure-prone, Nash. Shoots efficiently, passes efficiently. Both make players around them better, both unselfish, both see the court well. They can shoot very well, but only shoot when open or when absolutely needed. Very similar, of course Nash is a lot better, but their playing styles are very similar. Their personality as well, both very laid back and simple people.
Amir Johnson to me, is hard to compare. His style of basketball is very common, hard-working big-man, decent at everything and very athletic.
Ed Davis, hopefully will become like Duncan or something. A guy who just plays basketball for basketball. Nothing fancy, just plain old basketball. Efficient and hard-working. Someone who doesn't think about stats, but about the wins. He also has a nice left-hook, and if he develops his offensive game, he could become a great PF.
Bargnani is hard to compare, there has not been any center like Bargnani. A guy with crazy offensive skills, although his stats are bad, and he is inconsistent, his offensive skills are undoubtedly some of the best ever for a center.
After looking at Rik Smits numbers i thought it was a fair comparison for Bargs. Smits was a 15-18pt 6 reb guy. Bargs has pretty much the same numbers although he has a higher scoring avg. might be polar opposites if you review video archives and compare them play by play, shuffling of feet, position or what not but i kinda dont have time to review past tapes so i just went with the stats. plus, i did my comparisons straight up, im not really favoring one or the other, or making my decisions based on bias or hatred - a good scoring big man who literally can't do anything else. not really sure where youre coming from with this one. but hey, thats a separate thread i guess. dont do anymore bargs thread coz apollo is just gonna close it, ask multipaul, hehehe.
antonio davis - 10pts/7 rebs. Amir - 10pts/6rebs. like you said with bargs before, 5 years into the league so he probably wont improve on skills that he's poor in, specifically defense and rebounding. since amir has been in the league about the same number of years, i figured he might not improve as well so his numbers might be the same till he retires, but who knows. he can still improve, oh and so can bargs.
garnett and davis, might be a little bit, just a little bit over the top but i can see davis getting better than what he is now. his peak might compare to garnett's, thats why i said potentially, twice. like i said, davis has good movement around the basket, can take the step back jumper, good rebound and good shotblocker. KG is a career 1.6blks guy, thats almost 2blks a game. if you think he is not a great shot blocker, he's at least a good one. and so is Ed. Mourning would be a good comparison too but i think Ed is a bit quicker.
Calderon and Price, again numbers. But yes, that was a misstatement, calderon is a double-digit assist player.
bottomline is, im just asking for comparisons. you can take it literally and review video night and day, and some might just take a sec or two and wait for the players name that first comes into mind when thinking of current raps players, like what i did. and youre welcomed to critique, as you always do.
Last edited by TheGloveinRapsUniform; Fri Feb 11th, 2011 at 12:38 PM.
All I know is that Ed Davis will be the next JO.
And Sonny Weems will be the next Trey Johnson.
Derozan - I would like to think the Drexler comparison, but right now an Eddie Jones. (and he is nowhere near as annoying and immature as Kobe was his 2nd and 3rd years in)
Bayless - I am with the Barbosa comparison, although his ego puts him in the Monta comparison.
Amir - Horace Grant is a great comparison, but I am going with Kurt Rambis. Tenacious, a great contributor, mencaing at times, slap your forehead at others. Some offensive game but primarily around the basket.
Ed Davis - I would like to see Emeka Okafor
Weems - Mason, as in brick layer. If he doesn't find the shot selection he had last year, that may be his profession for real.
Bargnani - really don't have a comparison here. Maybe a Vlade Divac who scores a little more but just as frustrating and plays less defense.
As for Smits, look at the minutes he played. He never he averaged 31 mpg one year. His best season, he average 17.9 ppg and 7.7 rpg, but playing 30.5 mpg. Per 36 mpg, Smits career average was 8.2 rpg. Bargnani's is 5.9 rpg. Smits was also a better scorer, scoring 20.1 ppg per 36 minutes over the course of his career compared to Bargnani's 17.7 ppg. And Smits was never the main scoring option on his team, as Bargnani is now.
Given a choice between the two, I'd take Smits in a second. And I never liked Smits' game, so maybe that is a good comparison!
Looking solely points and rebounds, Antonio Davis and Amir might be similar, but Davis was a career .448 shooter. Amir is shooting .594 for his career so far. Davis was a very good defender and good rebounder, but he was a bit of a liability on offense. Not nearly as much as Reggie is, but he still wasn't very good on the offensive end. Amir is so efficient offensively, that despite him not being a good scorer, he has a very positive impact on the offensive end.
Again, I'm going more by what I saw players do on the court, rather than what kind of stats they put up.
Demar = Joe Johnson
Amir = Dale Davis (minus some muscle)
Ed D = Marcus Camby
Bargnani = Austin Croshere
The rest don't deserve mentioning.
I'm kickin' in old school:
DeMar DeRozan - Reggie Theus
Andrea Bargnani - Cliff Robinson
Jose Calderon - Muggsy Bogues
Amir Johnson - Larry Nance
Sonny Weems - Tariq Abdul-Wahad
Jerryd Bayless - Quintin Daily
Ed Davis - impossible to do at this point.. need more stats
How I did this: Went to Basketball-Reference.com, using the Player Season finder and used constraints each player is known for (like Jose's good a:t ratio and good free throw percentage, or Bargnani's bad rebounding but high point attempts, or DeRozan's low 3P% with average FTA, etc).
The Cliff Robinson comparison is pretty good, except Robinson was actually a good defender. Pitiful rebounder, but good defender.
I don't see the Muggsy Bogues comparison.
I actually thought about comparing Nance to Johnson, but Nance was much more of a fluid scorer and almost a 3/4. Johnson could never play the 3.
If Sonny become Tariq (minus the injuries), I'd be happy.
As for Dailey, I'm assuming you mean on the court. I never watched much of him, but i see the similarities.
Demar Derozan = Kevin Martin.
If DD develops the 3-ball, he will be scary close to Kevin Martin. Both guys have skinny frames and can score with drives or jumpers and getting to the line. But they kill you on defense. Rebounding is about average (~4-5) and blks/steals could be better.
Unfortunately, Kevin Martin is one of those guys who puts up great stats, but always seems to make his team worse. I hope this comparison doesn't pan out.
Oh, and one of Quintin Dailey's nicknames was San Quintin, as in the prison. Read up on a few of his transgressions here...
Just can't compare them to legends. But you can compare them to above average and in some cases 'good' players who had long careers in the NBA.
Ed Davis - PJ Brown or Theo Ratliff
Demar - Latrell Sprewell - slasher, instant o, could go off for 30, could take games off
Bargs - Christian Laettner : )
Amir - Kurt Thomas - solid 10-10 guy, good defender, could hit the open J
Bayless - Damon Stoudamire (with 1/5th the talent)
Calderon - can't beat Mark Price as recommended above
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