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    Phil Jackson is a great coach, no doubt about it but he had Michael and Kobe (plus Pippen, Kukoc, Shaq, Gasol...) Obradovic was usually building teams from the scratch. Take for example European titles with Partizan Belgrade (Yugoslavia) and Joventut Badalona (Spain), almost unknown teams for people outside Europe, with very low budget compared to the European power houses. People in USA and Canada do not realize how difficult is to win European championship, there's so much pressure on the players and teams, especially when playing away from home. He also won with Real Madrid once and 4 times (!!!) with Panathenaikos Athens, won the Saporta Cup with Benetton Treviso and countless national championships and cups. I followed his career as a player and I could not believe how good coach he became, simply amazing. The only problem is he's been with Panathenaikos since 1999, so I'm not sure if he's willing to leave Athens and come over. He is only 50 years old, he has coached for almost 20 years and played the game on the highest level. Young players like Davis and DeRozan will explode under his guidance, and even with this roster, I would guarantee that the Raptors with Obradovic would made the playoffs this season FOR SURE. He just needs several months to work with the players and get to know them, that's all. There are no communication or "cultural" issues, the guy has traveled the world more than anyone else. If anyone from the Raptors office is reading these forums, I would strongly recommend to check out this guy before anyone else.
    you, sir, have an outstanding quality:quantity post ratio.. very interesting insight

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    you, sir, have an outstanding quality:quantity post ratio.. very interesting insight
    I know, right? Not to mention the Petrovic avatar. Dude's quality.
    Welcome to RR, Eurobasket! I can tell you'll help out with the enormous amount of ignorance toward European basketball.

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    The question really should be: Does Ettore make a spicy meatball which Andrea is willing to swallow. Give him a 1 yr. contract with massive performance bonus and additional 2 yrs. if he can make Bargs become a beast on defense....10 rbs, 2 blks, 1 stl. per game .

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    I know, right? Not to mention the Petrovic avatar. Dude's quality.
    Welcome to RR, Eurobasket! I can tell you'll help out with the enormous amount of ignorance toward European basketball.
    Thanks for the kind words, guys. Being born in the country with some of the most fabulous players and coaches in the history of the game I’ve been privileged to watch every single important game on international level, and there were many historic battles. Too bad NBA teams did not have enough information about the European players in the 60’s, 70’s and 80’s, there were guys who could play on any NBA team (some of them even on the Celtics and the Lakers in their prime), just to mention few off the top of my head, forgive me if I missed somebody, this is not a definitive list:
    Korac, Daneu, Simonovic, Cosic, Kicanovic, Dalipagic, Delibasic and many more… (Yugoslavia)
    Also: Volnov, Belov, Myshkin (USSR), Rodriguez, Brabender (Spain), Ossola, Riva (Italy), Galis, Giannakis (Greece), Berkowitz (Israel), Schmidt (Brazil – non European but phenomenal player) etc.
    Present European players in the NBA should be thankful to the guys in my avatar – Vlade and Drazen – who were the “trailblazers”, had courage and showed that they can play in the best league in the world. But that’s a topic for some other post… Toronto has probably the best fans in NBA, I can't see any other team to have more support with such a dismal record. All it takes is to get people and players with winning attitude who are not afraid to step on somebody's toes, and this team can become one of the best in NBA. It does not have to be another 5 or 10 year building process.

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    All it takes is to get people and players with winning attitude who are not afraid to step on somebody's toes, and this team can become one of the best in NBA. It does not have to be another 5 or 10 year building process.
    Completely agree. I think the mentality the players bring to the floor every night really shows in how they play.
    If you watch teams like the Lakers and Boston, they play hard EVERY game. With the Raptors, you see them more play to their opponents (ie play hard against big teams, play soft against bad teams) which is very discouraging. I think alot of that has to do with Coaching as well as the Players themselves.

    They show the timeouts every once in a while during the Raptors broadcast and you can see that Triano just doesn't seem to want to ruffle any feathers. Like he was the nice, player friendly Assistant before, and he's tried to maintain the same relationship with the players. Which is incorrect of him. I think he's a brilliant coach, but he needs a bit more edge I think. Needs to dig a bit deeper.

    If Obradovic can get through to these guys, and really turn them into the players they should be, I'd be on board. That's one HELL of a track record he's got there.
    Has he talked ever of coming to the NBA? As has been mentioned, Messina made a big hoopla about maybe making the jump, but I've heard very little of Obradovic even considering. Perhaps I've missed it though. Has he been courted by any teams at all either?

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    Quote joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    Completely agree. I think the mentality the players bring to the floor every night really shows in how they play.
    If you watch teams like the Lakers and Boston, they play hard EVERY game. With the Raptors, you see them more play to their opponents (ie play hard against big teams, play soft against bad teams) which is very discouraging. I think alot of that has to do with Coaching as well as the Players themselves.

    They show the timeouts every once in a while during the Raptors broadcast and you can see that Triano just doesn't seem to want to ruffle any feathers. Like he was the nice, player friendly Assistant before, and he's tried to maintain the same relationship with the players. Which is incorrect of him. I think he's a brilliant coach, but he needs a bit more edge I think. Needs to dig a bit deeper.

    If Obradovic can get through to these guys, and really turn them into the players they should be, I'd be on board. That's one HELL of a track record he's got there.
    Has he talked ever of coming to the NBA? As has been mentioned, Messina made a big hoopla about maybe making the jump, but I've heard very little of Obradovic even considering. Perhaps I've missed it though. Has he been courted by any teams at all either?
    He has one more year with Panathenaikos after this one. Although he never expressed explicit interest to come to NBA, this is by far the best league in the world and I think he would like the challenge. If Toronto has a good winning team, it will always be the first choice for the European players (or coaches) to come here because of all the national communities we have.

    Don't get me wrong, even with all his titles he is not perfect, but he is close to it. I like Messina as well. It does not have to be European coach, there are plenty of good ones in USA, but it has to be someone with proven track record (enough with the rookie coaches) who will not be afraid to ruffle the feathers as you say (very good observation, Triano never points out any players or gets in their face during the timeouts).

    Here`s an interview with Obradovic, just to get a feel how the man thinks (we can draw a lot of parallels with the problems of Toronto):

    What is your greatest reward for all your accomplishments with Panathinaikos given that you are also working in a foreign country?

    - I want to see the arena full and fans should leave happy with what they see on the floor. It is difficult to fill the OAKA, but every sold-out is like a title for us. The greatest benefit is for the fans to understand the team and basketball, really helping us and not setting obstacles on our way. Before the 4th final I said to the players: " Guys we worked really hard to have 20.000 people on our side"

    Do you learn something everyday?

    - That's life, not only basketball. Like the ancient Greeks said, we are aging constantly learning something. I learn from my partners and my players. Truth is you make decisions and the players, who are smart, understand the seriousness of the matter. In the last play of the Euroleague Final I talked with Dimitris (Itoudis) and said to the players: "Let's play defense". I didn't explain anything further. And they agreed.

    What is your method of bringing the best out of players or having players adapt to the team, like Jasikevicius who was free to do whatever he wanted in his previous teams?

    - Jasikevicius came to a team that had achieved a Triple Crown it was not easy at all for him, having that character, to adjust to the teams immediately. I remember last year, everytime that Panathinaikos didn't play well, there was talk of Jasikevivius. I was the first to try to protect him. I am the coach and I have the biggest responsibility. It is easy to find a player and say "He didn't play well, let's blame him, and all will be fine". Sarunas was very different this year, he took the team on his shoulders many times and played very well.

    Do you ask for something more, besides being healthy, after all you have accomplished in basketball?

    - I believe life is simple. There is people you like and love and we all should be talking about health. I like life and I am happy every morning I wake up. I try to enjoy life. Some of the things I like are those that we're talking about. Life, basketball, making the people I love and the team I love happy. You asked me before the interview if I am tired. I'm telling you I am not. I talk about the things I love. It is something that makes me happy. I try every morning to enjoy life because afterall life is short. It is not possible to be happy everyday or to be successfull everytime .

    Is your happiness based on the so many titles you have won in such a short period of time?

    - Titles are a short pleasure. You try everyday hard in order to win a title in another day, but you can not celebrate it more than 2-3 days. You have a drink, you listen to the props and the wishes and then you start thinking of the next chapter of your life. To me everyday happiness is being with my friends talking about all matters, not only basketball, having them beside me, and them having me besides them. It is very important to me for friends to come over from Serbia, Italy, Greece and hang out. They are simple friends that I appreciate and respect a lot. Likewise it is great to have around your family. I told my daughter I would support anything she wants to and I will say the same to my son.

    What value do you give money?

    - Without money you can not do many nice things. I have people I help, because I gain a lot more back from them, but I don't work in order to earn as much as possible. I want to spend in order to have a nice time without exaggerating.

    We've seen you turning red while coaching. How do you beat stress and pressure?

    - I do not turn red, i turn blue (laughs). It is a normal reaction to me. It's my style. I don't yell at a player to force me over him, instead I give him arguments on how he didn't do what we had discussed, correctly. When I talk to the players on the bench, I am preparing them so when they get on court they will do correctly what their teammates are not. I am not stressed. I feel I have tension, but I do not act under pressure. I try to find solutions throughout the game, because I don't have much time to think. That's why I have told Dimitris (Itoudis) to talk to me constantly and to tell me everything he thinks. I make the decisions, but it is important to have beside me someone that I trust not 100%, but 1000%

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    He has one more year with Panathenaikos after this one. Although he never expressed explicit interest to come to NBA, this is by far the best league in the world and I think he would like the challenge. If Toronto has a good winning team, it will always be the first choice for the European players (or coaches) to come here because of all the national communities we have.

    Don't get me wrong, even with all his titles he is not perfect, but he is close to it. I like Messina as well. It does not have to be European coach, there are plenty of good ones in USA, but it has to be someone with proven track record (enough with the rookie coaches) who will not be afraid to ruffle the feathers as you say (very good observation, Triano never points out any players or gets in their face during the timeouts).

    Here`s an interview with Obradovic, just to get a feel how the man thinks (we can draw a lot of parallels with the problems of Toronto):

    What is your greatest reward for all your accomplishments with Panathinaikos given that you are also working in a foreign country?

    - I want to see the arena full and fans should leave happy with what they see on the floor. It is difficult to fill the OAKA, but every sold-out is like a title for us. The greatest benefit is for the fans to understand the team and basketball, really helping us and not setting obstacles on our way. Before the 4th final I said to the players: " Guys we worked really hard to have 20.000 people on our side"

    Do you learn something everyday?

    - That's life, not only basketball. Like the ancient Greeks said, we are aging constantly learning something. I learn from my partners and my players. Truth is you make decisions and the players, who are smart, understand the seriousness of the matter. In the last play of the Euroleague Final I talked with Dimitris (Itoudis) and said to the players: "Let's play defense". I didn't explain anything further. And they agreed.

    What is your method of bringing the best out of players or having players adapt to the team, like Jasikevicius who was free to do whatever he wanted in his previous teams?

    - Jasikevicius came to a team that had achieved a Triple Crown it was not easy at all for him, having that character, to adjust to the teams immediately. I remember last year, everytime that Panathinaikos didn't play well, there was talk of Jasikevivius. I was the first to try to protect him. I am the coach and I have the biggest responsibility. It is easy to find a player and say "He didn't play well, let's blame him, and all will be fine". Sarunas was very different this year, he took the team on his shoulders many times and played very well.

    Do you ask for something more, besides being healthy, after all you have accomplished in basketball?

    - I believe life is simple. There is people you like and love and we all should be talking about health. I like life and I am happy every morning I wake up. I try to enjoy life. Some of the things I like are those that we're talking about. Life, basketball, making the people I love and the team I love happy. You asked me before the interview if I am tired. I'm telling you I am not. I talk about the things I love. It is something that makes me happy. I try every morning to enjoy life because afterall life is short. It is not possible to be happy everyday or to be successfull everytime .

    Is your happiness based on the so many titles you have won in such a short period of time?

    - Titles are a short pleasure. You try everyday hard in order to win a title in another day, but you can not celebrate it more than 2-3 days. You have a drink, you listen to the props and the wishes and then you start thinking of the next chapter of your life. To me everyday happiness is being with my friends talking about all matters, not only basketball, having them beside me, and them having me besides them. It is very important to me for friends to come over from Serbia, Italy, Greece and hang out. They are simple friends that I appreciate and respect a lot. Likewise it is great to have around your family. I told my daughter I would support anything she wants to and I will say the same to my son.

    What value do you give money?

    - Without money you can not do many nice things. I have people I help, because I gain a lot more back from them, but I don't work in order to earn as much as possible. I want to spend in order to have a nice time without exaggerating.

    We've seen you turning red while coaching. How do you beat stress and pressure?

    - I do not turn red, i turn blue (laughs). It is a normal reaction to me. It's my style. I don't yell at a player to force me over him, instead I give him arguments on how he didn't do what we had discussed, correctly. When I talk to the players on the bench, I am preparing them so when they get on court they will do correctly what their teammates are not. I am not stressed. I feel I have tension, but I do not act under pressure. I try to find solutions throughout the game, because I don't have much time to think. That's why I have told Dimitris (Itoudis) to talk to me constantly and to tell me everything he thinks. I make the decisions, but it is important to have beside me someone that I trust not 100%, but 1000%
    Now, I think I am really sold on the Obradovic guy(thanks for mentioning enough with the rookie coaches), from the little I read in the interview, he talked about defense in glowing terms and the team playing hard to get fans on their side. I would give him a chance and have a throrough interview with the guy on how he can get this disparate group of players we have to play some defence. If he gives a reasonable answer to getting these guys to play defense, I would give him a chance to coach this team(what's more, he is a title winning coach, players would obviously listen to him plus if I am MLSE, I would buy him out of his one year remaining contract with Panathinakos if he is the right fit). However, the part where he said he does not yell at his players is a real source of concern(in the NBA, some players need to be yelled at to get the point across even Gregg Poppovich does that and Doc Rivers some times too(remember the game where Big Baby Davis shot a 3 point ball in the clutch and it did not go in? lmao).
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    Well, Messina just resigned from Real Madrid. Your wish may become true.

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    Quote Maleko wrote: View Post
    Well, Messina just resigned from Real Madrid. Your wish may become true.
    YAY! new coach!

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    YAY! new coach!
    Before the Raptors faithful get all bent out of shape declaring the suddenly available Ettore Messina as a viable option should the team not elect to bring head coach Jay Triano back next year, consider the following:

    Messina is without question a great coach, a great tactician and has more than proven himself in Europe.

    His credentials speak for themselves.

    And while his shocking decision to quit Real Madrid on Friday certainly raises eyebrows throughout the sport regardless of the continent, it would require the perfect set of circumstances for a man as exacting and demanding as Messina to come into the NBA and have the kind of success he had in Europe.

    Messina’s my-way-or-the-highway approach that has worked so well for him in Europe would be a very hard sell in the NBA.

    Few outside of Jerry Sloan, formerly of Utah, and Gregg Popovich, of San Antonio, have been able to run a team in the NBA with that kind of approach. With many of today’s NBA millionaires calling the shots, unless there is someone at the top of the food chain like a Tim Duncan or Karl Malone or even John Stockton to set the tone for the rest, it’s almost a recipe for disaster.

    Not saying it can’t happen. Just saying it would be very, very hard to do.


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    well with a article like that in the SUN I am almost positive jay will not be coming back.

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    Quote Balls of Steel wrote: View Post
    Before the Raptors faithful get all bent out of shape declaring the suddenly available Ettore Messina as a viable option should the team not elect to bring head coach Jay Triano back next year, consider the following:

    Messina is without question a great coach, a great tactician and has more than proven himself in Europe.

    His credentials speak for themselves.

    And while his shocking decision to quit Real Madrid on Friday certainly raises eyebrows throughout the sport regardless of the continent, it would require the perfect set of circumstances for a man as exacting and demanding as Messina to come into the NBA and have the kind of success he had in Europe.Messina’s my-way-or-the-highway approach that has worked so well for him in Europe would be a very hard sell in the NBA.

    Few outside of Jerry Sloan, formerly of Utah, and Gregg Popovich, of San Antonio, have been able to run a team in the NBA with that kind of approach. With many of today’s NBA millionaires calling the shots, unless there is someone at the top of the food chain like a Tim Duncan or Karl Malone or even John Stockton to set the tone for the rest, it’s almost a recipe for disaster.

    Not saying it can’t happen. Just saying it would be very, very hard to do.


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    And yet the Nets are offering him an ASSISTANT COACHING position. Maybe he can get tips from Smitch.

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    If the Nets are offering him an assistant gig and with my Russian owner making final decisions, if I am Avery and Sam I am looking over my shoulder.

    Messina was Prokhorov's coach when he owned CSKA Moscow.

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    Quote Maleko wrote: View Post
    And yet the Nets are offering him an ASSISTANT COACHING position. Maybe he can get tips from Smitch.
    I am sure he will take a head coaching job before he takes that assistant job.

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    He left Real Madrid because his Euro players ain't responding. How's that going to translate in this continent? My way or the highway really doesn't work anymore.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    If the Nets are offering him an assistant gig and with my Russian owner making final decisions, if I am Avery and Sam I am looking over my shoulder.

    Messina was Prokhorov's coach when he owned CSKA Moscow.
    That's interesting. Didn't know that and it would get them looking over their shoulder.

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    Ettore Messina on a potential NBA future: "It's almost impossible to go to the NBA. Honestly, it's not one of my goals. And the reason is easy - because it's something I can't control. I see it so far away for an European coach that I haven't thought about it seriously. I don't think there will soon be an opportunity so big for an European coach because those two worlds are very different."
    http://iradio.ucam.edu/vuelo-23-con-...-messina/2591/

    The link is not english so there could be something lost in translation.

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