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    they'll spend an enormous amount of money to buy the leafs, they'll spend w/e it takes to get hazel mae back from the states, they'll throw the mega bucks to get micaleff and sexeiro away from the score.

    But, oh no we're strapped for cash when it comes to spending on something sports fans really care about. fuck you, rogers. You conning fucks!
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    Well, time to go after James "Blue Jays killer" Shields.

    I'd be happy if we at least went after Matt Garza or GIO too, though.


    Oh and I hear the MLB career leader in SB% is still on the board.
    (Carlos Beltran)
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    Very upset this morning.

    If we landed Yu, I could have seen us going after Fielder. Not anymore though.
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    i blame it all on big country,joe!
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    i blame it all on big country,joe!
    Big Country accepts full responsibility.
    Big Country recognizes the fact that, had he not been so fat and ugly, Rogers would have been more willing to cough up the needed dough.

    Big Country feels bad.
    Big Country is going to go to Sonic and order the whole Menu.
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    Just listened to AA's presser this morning. He might be a terrific baseball guy (I think he is) but that front office desperately needs some PR help. I understand that he doesn't want to be Ricciardi and conduct the team's business through the media but, at the same time, the other extreme of refusing to comment at all on anything continues to create bad PR for the team. The Jays have lost control of the narrative, they've been cut by the double-edged sword of fan excitement and expectations. Just listening to AA it seems like he just doesn't understand the storm of fan fury that has been created. You can argue Darvish on the merits till the cows come home but what is indisputable is that this organization needs a rethink of its fan and media relations strategy.

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    Quote joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    Big Country accepts full responsibility.
    Big Country recognizes the fact that, had he not been so fat and ugly, Rogers would have been more willing to cough up the needed dough.

    Big Country feels bad.
    Big Country is going to go to Sonic and order the whole Menu.
    oh man, i haven't laughed that hard when I wasn't high in quite a while.

    that deserves better than waterboy linebacker laugh.

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    I realize that Darvish could be a talent, probably a #2 starter in the league, but the money just wasn't worth it. I mean, you look at past deals with pitchers - AJ Burnett for example - 82 million for 5 years. CJ Wilson just got 77 million for 5 years, so with Darvish, it's gonna cost roughly the same. Probably looking at 75-80 mil (total) for 5 years. Factor in they also paid 50 million just to get his rights and in total, it's 120-130 million for 5 years. I mean, in the grand scheme of things, is he really worth 24-26 million a season? That's Justin Verlander and CC Sabathia money. For a guy who has not pitched in the majors.

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    Quote MangoKid wrote: View Post
    I realize that Darvish could be a talent, probably a #2 starter in the league, but the money just wasn't worth it. I mean, you look at past deals with pitchers - AJ Burnett for example - 82 million for 5 years. CJ Wilson just got 77 million for 5 years, so with Darvish, it's gonna cost roughly the same. Probably looking at 75-80 mil (total) for 5 years. Factor in they also paid 50 million just to get his rights and in total, it's 120-130 million for 5 years. I mean, in the grand scheme of things, is he really worth 24-26 million a season? That's Justin Verlander and CC Sabathia money. For a guy who has not pitched in the majors.
    All very true. I think its the mystery behind him that makes the money seem worth it.
    Its obviously NOT, but the hype and probably attendance boost, might be how they justify it? Who knows.
    I'm over it now though. haha
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    Even if the Jays got Darvish, does that fix the hole they have at second base? What about first base? What about DH? What about the bullpen? This team has a lot of issues to address. I mean, you want to be players in the FA market, but you want to make good, smart deals. We JUST got rid of an albatross contract in Wells last January, why are some in such a hurry to add another one?

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    Quote joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    All very true. I think its the mystery behind him that makes the money seem worth it.
    Its obviously NOT, but the hype and probably attendance boost, might be how they justify it? Who knows.
    I'm over it now though. haha
    I remember when the Jays got Roger Clemens. There was an attendance boost, but not at every game. Just in the games he pitched. And the boost wasn't even that significant.

    I would rather that the Jays go after Fielder, but that ain't happening. I mean, signing him, and then trying to flip Lind to Oakland for Bailey would set the Jays bullpen up for the foreseeable future. AA's moves are under the radar, and signing Prince wouldn't be that.

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    Quote MangoKid wrote: View Post
    Even if the Jays got Darvish, does that fix the hole they have at second base? What about first base? What about DH? What about the bullpen? This team has a lot of issues to address. I mean, you want to be players in the FA market, but you want to make good, smart deals. We JUST got rid of an albatross contract in Wells last January, why are some in such a hurry to add another one?
    not huge holes at second or first. i imagine at least johnson will have a bounce back year if not lind.

    you answer to albatross contract. the guy has 7 pitches all can strike you out!
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    Quote MangoKid wrote: View Post
    I remember when the Jays got Roger Clemens. There was an attendance boost, but not at every game. Just in the games he pitched. And the boost wasn't even that significant.

    I would rather that the Jays go after Fielder, but that ain't happening. I mean, signing him, and then trying to flip Lind to Oakland for Bailey would set the Jays bullpen up for the foreseeable future. AA's moves are under the radar, and signing Prince wouldn't be that.
    Ya I'm back to believing everything AA says.

    The media kept putting out stories that were very Contrary to AAs usual course of action, and I got caught up in the excitement.

    From here on out, its AAs way or the Highway.
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    not huge holes at second or first. i imagine at least johnson will have a bounce back year if not lind.

    you answer to albatross contract. the guy has 7 pitches all can strike you out!
    Johnson didn't play that well in Arizona, hence why he was shipped out. Believe me, AA was hoping that he'd walk so they Jays could get the compensatory picks. I can't see Johnson sticking around after this season. Lind's numbers are not that good for a first baseman in the AL. His OBP is low, he doesn't walk a lot, and he's an average to below average first baseman.

    7 pitches? Jeez.

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    Johnson didn't play that well in Arizona, hence why he was shipped out. Believe me, AA was hoping that he'd walk so they Jays could get the compensatory picks. I can't see Johnson sticking around after this season. Lind's numbers are not that good for a first baseman in the AL. His OBP is low, he doesn't walk a lot, and he's an average to below average first baseman.

    7 pitches? Jeez.
    it was his first season at first and he got banged up because it was his first season. Johnson hit .270 for us and he's got some pop to his bat. he also isn't a below average fielder.

    he played his best season of career in 2010 with zona and he hit 21 dingers last year. he's going to be hitting like 6th or 5th and if he hits around 270 with 20 something dingers as well as his above average fielding pretty good second basemen and 6 or 5 hole guy.

    lind is right now a poor man's ryan howard and at his peak probably will be as good as ryan howard.which is basically a good pull fastball hitter.

    I agree we could benefit from trading him.but, if rasmus improves and with lawrie no doubt a future superstar and seeing what arencibia can become as well as thames. If we get gio and some arms in the bullpen right now. I think not this year but next is the year.

    i mean snider is a definite trade chip along with gose or rasmus and or young minor league arms.we just have to move those prospects before their value possibly diminishes.

    i'm looking to pull off a trade with oakland and san diego and possibly tampa 'cause that's where the arms are.
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    it was his first season at first and he got banged up because it was his first season. Johnson hit .270 for us and he's got some pop to his bat. he also isn't a below average fielder.

    he played his best season of career in 2010 with zona and he hit 21 dingers last year. he's going to be hitting like 6th or 5th and if he hits around 270 with 20 something dingers as well as his above average fielding pretty good second basemen and 6 or 5 hole guy.

    lind is right now a poor man's ryan howard and at his peak probably will be as good as ryan howard.which is basically a good pull fastball hitter.

    I agree we could benefit from trading him.but, if rasmus improves and with lawrie no doubt a future superstar and seeing what arencibia can become as well as thames. If we get gio and some arms in the bullpen right now. I think not this year but next is the year.

    i mean snider is a definite trade chip along with gose or rasmus and or young minor league arms.we just have to move those prospects before their value possibly diminishes.

    i'm looking to pull off a trade with oakland and san diego and possibly tampa 'cause that's where the arms are.
    I never said that Johnson is a poor fielder. If anything, he's average - he's never been known for his glove. I'd rather have a guy who hits like 10 home runs and plays spectacular D. He can possibly hit you 15-20 home runs, but he strikes out a ton and isn't patient (much like Lind). He doesn't strike me much as an AA guy because of his poor patience at the plate, but he's willing to take the 6.5 mil this season then I guess it's not all bad, but he definitely doesn't fit in long term. It will probably be his last season in Toronto.

    As for Lind, there's no way you can put him and Ryan Howard in the same breath. Howard is a perennial MVP candidate. You can pen him in for 30 hr's and 100 rbi's every season. He's a game changer. If Lind mashed the way Howard does, I'd overlook his poor fielding (he was a poor fielder in the OF as well).

    There's no way I trade Rasmus at the moment. If someone had told me last off-season that I could get Rasmus for 3 relievers and Zach Stewart, I would have laughed. The kid has talent.

    Thames is a 4-th OF at best. Just warming the spot till Gose or Marsinick reaches the Big Leagues.

    I'd look into trading Snider. Not in division though. Maybe San Diego's way (as part of a package) for either Alonso or Rizzo.

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    As for Lind, there's no way you can put him and Ryan Howard in the same breath. Howard is a perennial MVP candidate. You can pen him in for 30 hr's and 100 rbi's every season. He's a game changer. If Lind mashed the way Howard does, I'd overlook his poor fielding (he was a poor fielder in the OF as well).
    I don't get how you can bash Darvish's potentially anemic contract and yet support Howard's. Any Philly fan will tell you he's not worth that cash.

    Remember, RBIs are dependent on the players that hit ahead of him, and I'd say Philly's top of the order is better than 80% of the league.

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    Johnson didn't play that well in Arizona, hence why he was shipped out. Believe me, AA was hoping that he'd walk so they Jays could get the compensatory picks. I can't see Johnson sticking around after this season. Lind's numbers are not that good for a first baseman in the AL. His OBP is low, he doesn't walk a lot, and he's an average to below average first baseman.

    7 pitches? Jeez.
    He is an above average fielder though. This is noteworthy considering that he only really started playing there recently.
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    I don't get how you can bash Darvish's potentially anemic contract and yet support Howard's. Any Philly fan will tell you he's not worth that cash.
    I'm not sure if you're being facetious, but I'll play it at face value. If the Darvish gets a 75 million dollar contract (for 5 years - and that's the lowest threshold Darvish would take), the Rangers on average, will have given Darvish the same contract Howard has (5/125). Howard is one of the most feared hitters in the game. He's a former MVP - both of regular season and World Series (has been in the top-10 in MVP voting in each year since he's been in the league, except his rookie year when he won the NL rookie of the year award), a 3-time all star, 2-time former home run king, 3-time rbi champ. The point is, he's productive. In regards to fans complaining about contracts, Most baseball fans will complain about contracts. Then again, baseball player is really worth their contract.
    In contrast, what has Davish done to deserve HIS contract?


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    Remember, RBIs are dependent on the players that hit ahead of him, and I'd say Philly's top of the order is better than 80% of the league.
    It's one thing to have players who hit in front of you to get on base, it's another to be able to drive them in. 100 rbi's each year isn't a fluke.


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    He is an above average fielder though. This is noteworthy considering that he only really started playing there recently.
    I wouldn't go as far as to say Lind is above average at 1st. At best, he's average.

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    Quote MangoKid wrote: View Post
    I wouldn't go as far as to say Lind is above average at 1st. At best, he's average.
    I'm with Mango on this one.

    I like Lind alot, but he would be the first spot I look to upgrade. (Besides Bullpen.)
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    howard was completely assanine in the post-season. he fell off worse than cliff lee. you throw that man a curve ball and he strikes out 90% of the time.

    Incredible power when he connects.So, was adum dunn. move howard to the AL and he'll have as shitty a season as dunn, well not as shitty because that's impossible, but, he'll have a bad season.

    ryan howard is a poor man's prince fielder. As for the reason why Howard gets all those dingers and 100 rbi's is due to the guys in front of him as was touched on. Sure it's one thing to be able to drive them in.

    But, Howard approaches the plate and swings the bat the exact same way with the bases loaded than with nobody on and 2 out. I'm not going to suggest pitchers approach him the same way with the bases loaded. But, the secret behind Howard driving in all those runs is because teams don't play the regular shift they would if nobody was on and he was at the plate.

    he's basically jim thome and as he gets older and his contact diminishes, those power numbers will go down just like thome. You can't play the shift with the bases loaded, a pitcher throws a hittable pitch and howard hits it.

    Howard always goes up there with the home run swing, he's never thinking about anything other than swinging his hardest.
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