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    Quote Eric Akshinthala wrote: View Post
    I have no doubt that this team under J Farell would have been in 'the mix'. Except manage the bull pen well, Gibby is not impressive. At this rate, it's only a matter of time before he's replaced.

    IMO, an Ace and a decent 2nd baseman must be added. The pitching woes are temporary. Once the likes of Morrow, Drabek, H'son, Happ and Romero return, they'll be fine.
    Honestly can't agree with the Farrell statement.. He did nothing for the Jays, nothing, and he was so horrible at managing the bullpen.. He left guys in too long and gave guys too many chances, too many times he would throw a guy in there when we had a lead and you would know the guy was going to blow the game.. I don't like Gibbons lackadaisical approach to managing but Farrell lacked passion as well, so respect Farrell all you want for Boston's success, but he doesn't deserve anything for what he did with the Jays.

    Josh Johnson, there's absolutely no chance he will resign so I wish they would get rid of him.. Basically the reason we made the Miami trade and gave up so much and we're going to let him walk for nothing, brilliant..

    No matter what, Romero is my favorite Jay.. I don't care about his struggles, he's legit.. Look at the time line guys, it all goes back to his breakup with Rima Fakih.. She was amazing, and she liked the Jays too, I miss her almost as much, no matter how crazy she is.

    PS of all the guys you mentioned coming back I feel like none besides the oft injured Morrow (and Romero for me obviously) are better than fifth starters.. Really not consistent and lack experience as starters.. You can't be a contender and rely on guys like that.

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    Honestly can't agree with the Farrell statement.. He did nothing for the Jays, nothing, and he was so horrible at managing the bullpen.. He left guys in too long and gave guys too many chances, too many times he would throw a guy in there when we had a lead and you would know the guy was going to blow the game.. I don't like Gibbons lackadaisical approach to managing but Farrell lacked passion as well, so respect Farrell all you want for Boston's success, but he doesn't deserve anything for what he did with the Jays.

    Josh Johnson, there's absolutely no chance he will resign so I wish they would get rid of him.. Basically the reason we made the Miami trade and gave up so much and we're going to let him walk for nothing, brilliant..

    No matter what, Romero is my favorite Jay.. I don't care about his struggles, he's legit.. Look at the time line guys, it all goes back to his breakup with Rima Fakih.. She was amazing, and she liked the Jays too, I miss her almost as much, no matter how crazy she is.

    PS of all the guys you mentioned coming back I feel like none besides the oft injured Morrow (and Romero for me obviously) are better than fifth starters.. Really not consistent and lack experience as starters.. You can't be a contender and rely on guys like that.

    I didn't like the way Farell handled the pitchers either. I agree that he left starters in for too long. I remember many comfortable leads turning into close finishes. That's the only thing about Farell I didn't like and it's the only thing about Gibby that I do like.

    I'm not a fan of Farell the person and I don't want to see him back with the Jays BUT I must say that other than the above mentioned(pitching), he is a good Manager. At this time the last two years, with much inferior teams, the Jays were in much better shape. The over-performing BoSox are also proof.

    The only good thing about the teams terrible showing is that it could mean Gibby's firing.

    Romero is a legitimate talent. He can't stay in a slump for too long. I'm confident he'll return and be as successful as before.
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    Farrell isn't that great. The Red Sox gave up on valentine last year cause they wanted him gone. They're having a good year for sure but I don't think you can say they're are "over-performing" since they purposely under- performs last season
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    Why is Esmil Rogers still starting?
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    Quote LBF wrote: View Post
    Why is Esmil Rogers still starting?
    Easy answer.. We literally have no one else, it's easy to hide him when we have guys like Dickey and Josh Johnson doing worse than him.. Redmond pitched yesterday, no? (well pitched game, but) Who tf is he? Basically just trying to patch up a sinking ship.. Putting some play doh over the holes and just hoping for the best until we regroup and try again next year..

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    Rogers was their most consistent starter prior to last night. This team is just broken

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    Quote Raptor_11 wrote: View Post
    Rogers was their most consistent starter prior to last night. This team is just broken
    Consistent at what? Being about average?

    He's had a couple of good starts. But he's allowed 4 or more in 4 of his last 7 starts..
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    What happened to Chad Jenkins? He was doing a decent job.
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    Quote Eric Akshinthala wrote: View Post
    What happened to Chad Jenkins? He was doing a decent job.
    He got optioned to buffalo back in June
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    He got optioned to buffalo back in June

    I think he always got a raw deal with the Jays. A big guy with a 3 something ERA(I could be wrong but not by a lot) should be in the majors especially when there's a pitching crisis.
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    They've had Stroman starting all this season, not saying he's going to be our answer to anything but he'll definitely be an option next year, and probably more than likely he'll be up by next month along with Jenkins and Sean Nolin. I hate relying on young guys though because we don't have the arms that like Tampa has or Oakland, but I agree that Jenkins should have got more of a shot starting, there was no room for him in the bullpen but he pitched well for us.. Couldn't do worse than most of our staff now, or guys we signed to pitch like a game or two..

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    Quote Ryan_1523 wrote: View Post
    They've had Stroman starting all this season, not saying he's going to be our answer to anything but he'll definitely be an option next year, and probably more than likely he'll be up by next month along with Jenkins and Sean Nolin. I hate relying on young guys though because we don't have the arms that like Tampa has or Oakland, but I agree that Jenkins should have got more of a shot starting, there was no room for him in the bullpen but he pitched well for us.. Couldn't do worse than most of our staff now, or guys we signed to pitch like a game or two..
    I believe it was Keith Law who was suggesting Stroman is another year away. PLus, looking at his numbers, he isn't missing enough bats. He projects as a reliever given the fastball contact.

    Jenkins is not a MLB starter. His ERA in AA was close to 5.00. If you can't dominate at AA, you can't pitch in the bigs.

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    Quote slaw wrote: View Post
    I believe it was Keith Law who was suggesting Stroman is another year away. PLus, looking at his numbers, he isn't missing enough bats. He projects as a reliever given the fastball contact.

    Jenkins is not a MLB starter. His ERA in AA was close to 5.00. If you can't dominate at AA, you can't pitch in the bigs.
    Not entirely true. There are guys who sucked in the minors and than made it to the bigs and stuck. Never got sent back down.
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    In 3 games with the Jays this year, Jenkins has a 1-0 record with a 3.60 ERA.
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    Yeah but if you saw Jenkins pitch in the MLB it's a different story, he pitched well. I see Stroman as more of a reliever too, but what we need is more starting pitching depth, so obviously have to look at options in the system.. I know we have Drabek and Hutchinson who should be ready for next season if there aren't any more injuries or set backs, but we go through arms very quickly.

    I think you look past the numbers in certain cases, especially when you're having a year like this with all the injuries and guys dramatically under preforming. Ricky Romero never dominated the minors at all, he had multiple mediocre seasons and then was called up and quickly became our number one guy.

    I know a lot of people are saying we're the worst in the league but that's bs.. If guys performed to their abilities like Dickey (He's no Cy Young winner in the AL, but an ERA of roughly 4 is where he should be), Josh Johnson, there's no way he should have an era of like 7.. Buehrle as well, he started the season horribly. We lack pitching depth but our bullpen is one of the strongest in the league and our hitting (currently. They're pretty inconsistent as well) is pretty solid.. We have what should be a top 10 lineup.. There was too much hype for the team, but for good reason.. Now we're just another Boston of last year, like the Angels too, I had the Angels going deep in the playoffs, killer lineup but they've had the exact same problems.

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    Boston gave up last year cause they didn't like Bobby V. I haven't heard any rumours to do with players and Gibby.
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    Yeah but he's also not much of a motivator either if you haven't noticed. Relaxed is a great approach until the sh*t hits the fan.

    I agree with the Bobby V. thing but I don't think that was the sole issue, guys just didn't perform. I don't think anyone would argue that the biggest mistake the Red Sox made was firing Francona, I'm glad he's with the Indians

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    Btw were there rumors guys didn't get along with Farrell either during the year? I don't remember any, but when the season ended and he left, guys started talking..

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    Guys didn't perform on purpose because they wanted Valentine gone.

    Pedroia hated him. I think the guys that got traded hated him. The whole team pretty much wanted him gone and played like shit to ensure that.

    I don't remember hearing things on Farrell.

    I heard gibby wasn't all too "laid back" first time around when he was manager..
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