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Thread: Ric Bucher on DD: "I haven't been blown away by his progress so far."

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    Quote DunkinDerozan wrote: View Post
    Hypocrite!
    When Bargani has a bad stretch you seem to ignore his good games!
    You fail to mention his improvements
    yes yes you are a complete hypo
    *Sigh*
    All while shooting a decent percentage from the field and improving in all aspects of his game.
    Why do you even have to brings Bargs into this? He's not a better player this season when compared to last year. And he hasn't shot 25% over a ridiculous stretch, all the the while regressing defensively and on the boards.

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    Quote DunkinDerozan wrote: View Post
    Hypocrite!
    When Bargani has a bad stretch you seem to ignore his good games!
    You fail to mention his improvements
    yes yes you are a complete hypo
    Why do you "speak" to me as if I'm somehow personally insulting you? I think you need to get a bit of a grip.

    As for Bargnani, I'm not sure why you're bringing him up in a thread that has nothing to do with him, but since you did...

    What improvements are you referring to? He has improved his offense, but that was never the problem with him. He hasn't improved his defense or rebounding one bit, and that was the main area he needed to work on.

    The thing is that you have to look at the big picture and not a stretch of games. Has Bargnani improved over last season? A bit offensively, but not in the areas that he needed the most improvement. Has he improved since the beginning of the season? No. In fact he's not posting up as much, taking more long twos and not getting to the line at as high a rate. And his rebounding and defense are still extremely poor.

    I'm not quite sure how I'm being a hypocrite because I don't ignore lack of improvement in necessary areas, while focusing on improvements in a single area that wasn't a problem in the first place.

    Oh, and when I look at the progress of a player, I don't look at individual games. Looking at individual games can be deceiving. I don't do it for Bargnani or DeRozan.

    And can we cease with the name-calling? It's a little juvenile.
    Last edited by Tim W.; Sat Feb 12th, 2011 at 04:57 AM.
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    The way things are going I think Derozen is going to be a star on this team and he still has a long way to go in terms of development. I've never felt as optimistic about the Raps future as I do now. We have all of the flexibility in the world and with Demar, Ed, and Amir all fast developing into very good players, I think we're two seasons, a top 5 pick, and some luck away from having something special here. We just ave to clear some of the dead weight.
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    This guy analyzes all players in the NBA; Raps fans are being biased if they are saying that Demar has jumped out as a better player then his sophmore peers. It easy as a Raps fan to notice the progress of Demar since last season, but for an NBA analyst, it's probably not eye popping.

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    Quote Nick wrote: View Post
    This guy analyzes all players in the NBA; Raps fans are being biased if they are saying that Demar has jumped out as a better player then his sophmore peers. It easy as a Raps fan to notice the progress of Demar since last season, but for an NBA analyst, it's probably not eye popping.
    Who said he's jumped out as a better player than his sophomore peers? Where are you getting this from? The issue is whether he's shown a lot of progress, which he has, especially in the last couple of months.
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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    Who said he's jumped out as a better player than his sophomore peers? Where are you getting this from? The issue is whether he's shown a lot of progress, which he has, especially in the last couple of months.
    Who are you talking to me or the guy who wrote the article? Way to make something out of nothing, you are the epitome of whats wrong with analytical analysis on a broad scale. Its easy to pinpoint when your a regular.

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    Quote Nick wrote: View Post
    Way to make something out of nothing, you are the epitome of whats wrong with analytical analysis on a broad scale. Its easy to pinpoint when your a regular.
    Huh?!
    I don't get it.
    I know you're not talking to me, I just don't get it.

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    Quote joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    Huh?!
    I don't get it.
    I know you're not talking to me, I just don't get it.
    Derozan isn't noticeably standing out to the mainstream.

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    Quote Nick wrote: View Post
    Derozan isn't noticeably standing out to the mainstream.
    That is because the mainstream US doesn't watch the Raptors. The problem is you get these 'experts' giving analysis on second or third hand information or opinions that are old.

    Here is the 2009 draft: http://www.nba.com/draft2009/

    Name one player from that draft, besides Griffin because he is a rookie this year, who has made more progress this year than DD.

    The only player I could argue has made more progress is Jrue Holiday. Evans and Curry actually seem to have regressed.

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    Quote Nick wrote: View Post
    Who are you talking to me or the guy who wrote the article? Way to make something out of nothing, you are the epitome of whats wrong with analytical analysis on a broad scale. Its easy to pinpoint when your a regular.
    I just feel like I've completely missed part of a conversation here. Bucher said "I haven't been blown away by his progress so far." Several of us countered that opinion, saying that he has developed very well this season, pointing to stats as well as other evidence.

    Then you come out and call us biased because you said that DeRozan has not jumped out as better than his sophomore peers. Great. Unfortunately, that's not the argument. In fact it has nothing to do with the argument. None of us compared DeRozan to ANY of his peers, as far as I know. I simply told you that.

    And now you call me the epitome of what's wrong with analytical analysis on a broad scale???? Are you having conversations in your head and thinking they're real? Because I really have no idea what you're talking about, and apparently I'm not the only one.
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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    I just feel like I've completely missed part of a conversation here. Bucher said "I haven't been blown away by his progress so far." Several of us countered that opinion, saying that he has developed very well this season, pointing to stats as well as other evidence.

    Then you come out and call us biased because you said that DeRozan has not jumped out as better than his sophomore peers. Great. Unfortunately, that's not the argument. In fact it has nothing to do with the argument. None of us compared DeRozan to ANY of his peers, as far as I know. I simply told you that.

    And now you call me the epitome of what's wrong with analytical analysis on a broad scale???? Are you having conversations in your head and thinking they're real? Because I really have no idea what you're talking about, and apparently I'm not the only one.
    Your such a loser Tim. Look at my original comment. Did I blatantly call you or anybody else on here biased? Nope. I'm not sure how to respond to your buffoonery. I know you spend your life on Raptors Republic, and like making something out of nothing because your a bore. From an NBA analysts viewpoint, he's NOT THAT SPECIAL. Why are you talking on behalf of everybody by the way? Your pretty arrogant.

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    Quote Nick wrote: View Post
    Your such a loser Tim. Look at my original comment. Did I blatantly call you or anybody else on here biased? Nope. I'm not sure how to respond to your buffoonery. I know you spend your life on Raptors Republic, and like making something out of nothing because your a bore. From an NBA analysts viewpoint, he's NOT THAT SPECIAL. Why are you talking on behalf of everybody by the way? Your pretty arrogant.
    Whoa. Where the he'll did all this come from? Again, I feel like I've completely missed part of a conversation where I apparently insulted you. As for the "biased" comment, you actually called Raptor fans biased. I was simply responding to you comment. That's what you do on forums. Talk about making something out of nothing...
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    i agree that it's an accurate comparison. he's having an excellent career, but, i think we should start to drag our attention more to davis who could eventually be first team all defense.

    dude could average 2 blocks a game in 3 to 5 years.
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    Quote Nick wrote: View Post
    Your such a loser Tim. Look at my original comment. Did I blatantly call you or anybody else on here biased? Nope. I'm not sure how to respond to your buffoonery. I know you spend your life on Raptors Republic, and like making something out of nothing because your a bore. From an NBA analysts viewpoint, he's NOT THAT SPECIAL. Why are you talking on behalf of everybody by the way? Your pretty arrogant.
    You need to learn your "Your vs. You're". Just saying. Not to mention stop with the name calling. It's pretty ridiculous.
    And I agree with Tim actually on this one Nick, and I think its a pretty common thought pattern that Demar has been very impressive and has shown a real upside, as opposed to just Potential. And as someone who tries to watch as many non-Raptors games as I can, I think it's fair to say actually. And we're not the only ones here Nick. I think you may be in the minority on this. Which is fine. Disagreements are common place around here, but you need to realize that calling people names when there is a disagreement, only makes you look silly and childish.
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    Bucher probably wants DD to score 20 points a game... DeRozan's improvement is pretty clear, he has been more confident, has been attacking etc... His defense is still spotty, but he's 21 and on a really bad defensive team. He has also been hitting his jumpers, so I'm happy with his improvement.

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