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    Here are three names that the Raptors should pay particular attention to, and one name that they should steer clear from.

    O.J. Mayo - Memphis Grizzlies

    To get him the Raptors would probably have to sacrifice Leandro Barbosa and, more significantly, may have to absorb the contract of Hasheem Thabeet, the preeminent bust of last year's draft. The Grizzlies are only a game-and-a-half out of the eighth playoff spot out West, and getting a dependable veteran scorer off of the bench (to essentially replace Mayo without the drama that comes from having him) might be just the ticket to pry him away from the Grizzlies. Swapping Barbosa for Mayo should be a pretty easy deal for the Raptors to pull the trigger on if Memphis were amenable, but taking on Thabeet and the $5-million he's guaranteed next season might be a deal-breaker. No one knows what Memphis would demand (and what they would accept) to get Mayo out of their system, but the Raptors would appear to be a team well positioned to find out this month.

    Jonny Flynn - Minnesota Timberwolves

    It's hard to say what the Raptors would have to sacrifice to get Flynn, though. Obviously he's not worth Toronto's first-round pick, and Minnesota is already well below the cap so financial savings wouldn't appear to be a major consideration. Taking back an onerous contract (like that of Martell Webster) doesn't hold much interest for Toronto, either, so it's again unclear what it would take to pry Flynn loose. Put it this way: if the Raptors can get him for Miami's pick plus a non-core asset, you jump on it. If they have to take back Webster or give up Bayless or a better pick, it's not worth it. Chalk this acquisition up as unlikely.

    Avery Bradley - Boston Celtics

    The Raptors were hot after Bradley in the draft, though their interest may have cooled since acquiring Bayless. Still, Boston may be in the market for some inexpensive help at the small forward spot with Marquis Daniels going down, and Sonny Weems or Julian Wright may be enough to pry Bradley loose if the Raptors still want him.


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    Aaron Brooks - Houston Rockets

    It would seem counter-intuitive to say the Raptors should pursue Jonny Flynn, basically a low-rent version of Brooks, and not Brooks himself this winter, but that isn't necessarily true. Flynn still has two more years on his rookie deal to play with before the Raptors would have to make any kind of longterm decision with regards to him, whereas Brooks is a free agent this summer. The Raptors have worked hard to open up cap space this summer, and having to consider spending it on Brooks (whom they would probably not consider spending it on were he merely someone else's free agent this summer) takes attention away from better-suited pursuits. Sure, Brooks at $2-million is great. Having to re-sign him for $5-$6-million - not so much. He may be a name that attracts some interest this month, but it's not likely to come from the Raptors.

    Link: http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/tim_chisholm/?id=353001

    I like the idea of mayo and thabeet coming to the raptors for barbosa because i would like to see the raptors experiment Bargnani + Thabeet; see how that goes. i would trade bradley for weem or wright. What are your thoughts ?
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    I'd jump on the Bradley trade in a minute

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    Flynn is on the block on Minny? Can't see the T'Wolves giving up on him even though he's an overrated defender and a poor passer. Right now his projection is T.J Ford. Pass.

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    Quote Arsenalist wrote: View Post
    Flynn is on the block on Minny? Can't see the T'Wolves giving up on him even though he's an overrated defender and a poor passer. Right now his projection is T.J Ford. Pass.
    I'm not sure anyone's seen enough of him in a proper flowing offense to really make an accurate projection. It's been said more than once that he's struggled grasping the Triangle Offense, and as such, I'm not sure he's gotten a fair shake.

    I think some of the allure of having Flynn in Toronto is that he considers himself "Pretty much Canadian" as he grew up in Niagara Falls and played at Syracuse. Though I do agree I can't see the Wolves giving up on him this early UNLESS they get Rubio on board. Ridnour has been playing off the hook this year and has made Flynns minutes a little more hard to come by. I think the Jury is still out on this kid.

    ADD: Also, I think people forget how unbelievable Ford was playing for us before he went down, and then went Psycho. Dude was VERY unselfish with the ball and took good shots most of the time. I'd be happy with an uninjured TJ Ford. Unfortunately Flynn IS injury prone and thus, I'm not so hot on him.
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    Quote joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    I'm not sure anyone's seen enough of him in a proper flowing offense to really make an accurate projection. It's been said more than once that he's struggled grasping the Triangle Offense, and as such, I'm not sure he's gotten a fair shake.

    I think some of the allure of having Flynn in Toronto is that he considers himself "Pretty much Canadian" as he grew up in Niagara Falls and played at Syracuse. Though I do agree I can't see the Wolves giving up on him this early UNLESS they get Rubio on board. Ridnour has been playing off the hook this year and has made Flynns minutes a little more hard to come by. I think the Jury is still out on this kid.

    ADD: Also, I think people forget how unbelievable Ford was playing for us before he went down, and then went Psycho.
    Dude was VERY unselfish with the ball and took good shots most of the time. I'd be happy with an uninjured TJ Ford.
    Very true. He also had a pretty serious surgery where they shaved the hip bone down so the ball joint could fit in the socket better.

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    He also had a pretty serious surgery where they shaved the hip bone down so the ball joint could fit in the socket better.
    Sounds delightful... Ugh. haha

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    I would do Barbosa for OJ mayo anyday. Move DeRozan to the 3 and have Mayo starting at the 2. Then we would have a nice starting lineup. Have Sonny Weems as the the 2 or 3 off the bench and draft another wing player to develop we are good to go. I would be very pleased if that deal goes through.

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    As far as the Flynn deal I wouldnt do it, if we want another back up point guard better to draft one. I think we need to make bayless the point guard of the future on the raptors, his defense is good, and offensively the sky is the limit for him. Avery Bradley ... meh, if we can get him cheap I guess.

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    Here's an ideal projection for Mayo: Jason Terry. Some in MEM want him playing the point which I don't get. On a good team he's a scorer off the bench, even though he was more efficient starting last year (this year he's coming off the bench). Him and Weems are redundant, kind of like having Belinelli around last year.

    No issues with moving DD to the three. As long as he perfects his high release-point and defends like has been doing the last month, he can fit in anywhere and get his shot off against most.

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    Quote Arsenalist wrote: View Post
    No issues with moving DD to the three. As long as he perfects his high release-point and defends like has been doing the last month, he can fit in anywhere and get his shot off against most.
    Not feeling DD at the three. I think he'd be undersized - and that is even after bulking up a little. As long as Bargnani is around they need a beast at the SF - much like Gerald Wallace or my new favourite college player Terrence Jones.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEgmxg8OF90

    Check out the block and transition dunk at 1:11 and the very final highlight versus Notre Dame.

    He is left handed - him at the 3 and Davis at the 4 would certainly create a few highlight blocks.

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    Bargnani, Calderon need to go. Get Larry Brown for next year and build around a core of johnson, derozan, bayless, and davis. Bring in a defensive beast of a center and surround him with offensive guards (Bayless, Mayo) derozan at the 3, johnson at the 4, all those guys play good defense, we will be alright. All these players are young and have the physical attributes to be good defenders, give them a coach like larry brown who is defense first, and they will be successful. Offense wont be a problem since all these guys can score.

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    I think Mayo is a huge improvement over weems. He can shoot lol.

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    Quote South_Side_Jane wrote: View Post
    Here are three names that the Raptors should pay particular attention to, and one name that they should steer clear from.

    O.J. Mayo - Memphis Grizzlies

    To get him the Raptors would probably have to sacrifice Leandro Barbosa and, more significantly, may have to absorb the contract of Hasheem Thabeet, the preeminent bust of last year's draft. The Grizzlies are only a game-and-a-half out of the eighth playoff spot out West, and getting a dependable veteran scorer off of the bench (to essentially replace Mayo without the drama that comes from having him) might be just the ticket to pry him away from the Grizzlies. Swapping Barbosa for Mayo should be a pretty easy deal for the Raptors to pull the trigger on if Memphis were amenable, but taking on Thabeet and the $5-million he's guaranteed next season might be a deal-breaker. No one knows what Memphis would demand (and what they would accept) to get Mayo out of their system, but the Raptors would appear to be a team well positioned to find out this month.

    Jonny Flynn - Minnesota Timberwolves

    It's hard to say what the Raptors would have to sacrifice to get Flynn, though. Obviously he's not worth Toronto's first-round pick, and Minnesota is already well below the cap so financial savings wouldn't appear to be a major consideration. Taking back an onerous contract (like that of Martell Webster) doesn't hold much interest for Toronto, either, so it's again unclear what it would take to pry Flynn loose. Put it this way: if the Raptors can get him for Miami's pick plus a non-core asset, you jump on it. If they have to take back Webster or give up Bayless or a better pick, it's not worth it. Chalk this acquisition up as unlikely.

    Avery Bradley - Boston Celtics

    The Raptors were hot after Bradley in the draft, though their interest may have cooled since acquiring Bayless. Still, Boston may be in the market for some inexpensive help at the small forward spot with Marquis Daniels going down, and Sonny Weems or Julian Wright may be enough to pry Bradley loose if the Raptors still want him.


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    Aaron Brooks - Houston Rockets

    It would seem counter-intuitive to say the Raptors should pursue Jonny Flynn, basically a low-rent version of Brooks, and not Brooks himself this winter, but that isn't necessarily true. Flynn still has two more years on his rookie deal to play with before the Raptors would have to make any kind of longterm decision with regards to him, whereas Brooks is a free agent this summer. The Raptors have worked hard to open up cap space this summer, and having to consider spending it on Brooks (whom they would probably not consider spending it on were he merely someone else's free agent this summer) takes attention away from better-suited pursuits. Sure, Brooks at $2-million is great. Having to re-sign him for $5-$6-million - not so much. He may be a name that attracts some interest this month, but it's not likely to come from the Raptors.

    Link: http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/tim_chisholm/?id=353001

    I like the idea of mayo and thabeet coming to the raptors for barbosa because i would like to see the raptors experiment Bargnani + Thabeet; see how that goes. i would trade bradley for weem or wright. What are your thoughts ?
    I will most likely jump on the Jonny Flynn trade myself. With Flynn in, we can trade Calderon or Bayless for draft picks which we can combine with the Miami draft pick to move up in the draft. OJ Mayo is a big if but he is talented(so I would take a flier on him too, if he plays badly or he is a cancer, his ass sits on the bench or you give him the Eddy Curry treatment(don't show up to the Raptors facility lol)) while Avery Bradley is not NBA-ready and is another project lol(we have enough projects on this team, we don't need another one lol).

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    Quote SuperRaptor wrote: View Post
    Bargnani, Calderon need to go. Get Larry Brown for next year and build around a core of johnson, derozan, bayless, and davis. Bring in a defensive beast of a center and surround him with offensive guards (Bayless, Mayo) derozan at the 3, johnson at the 4, all those guys play good defense, we will be alright. All these players are young and have the physical attributes to be good defenders, give them a coach like larry brown who is defense first, and they will be successful. Offense wont be a problem since all these guys can score.
    I'm not sure you are familiar with Larry Brown's last few coaching jobs. He told the Cats to draft Augustine instead of Lopez - eventhough they had Felton - when C was and still is a glaring need on the team. He typically goes in and sends all players who are already there packing. He is known to hate rookies and sit them. He is known to be extremely difficult on his point guards. His act grows old very quick as has been seen in his last few coaching jobs - which I think he purposely does to get fired so he can collect the cheques at home (see: DET, NYK, CHA). CHA has played much better since he left. There is no doubt he is a good coach but I do not think he is the man for the Raptors job.

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    Quote joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    I'm not sure anyone's seen enough of him in a proper flowing offense to really make an accurate projection. It's been said more than once that he's struggled grasping the Triangle Offense, and as such, I'm not sure he's gotten a fair shake.

    I think some of the allure of having Flynn in Toronto is that he considers himself "Pretty much Canadian" as he grew up in Niagara Falls and played at Syracuse. Though I do agree I can't see the Wolves giving up on him this early UNLESS they get Rubio on board. Ridnour has been playing off the hook this year and has made Flynns minutes a little more hard to come by. I think the Jury is still out on this kid.

    ADD: Also, I think people forget how unbelievable Ford was playing for us before he went down, and then went Psycho. Dude was VERY unselfish with the ball and took good shots most of the time. I'd be happy with an uninjured TJ Ford. Unfortunately Flynn IS injury prone and thus, I'm not so hot on him.
    +1 plus I believe Jonny Flynn is one of those guys that really needs a change of scenery and the poor passer image might be because the Timberwolves hardly have any high fliers for leakouts(probably Brewer and to a small extent Beasly(he prefers to shoot jumpshots instead lol) while we have DD, Sonny, Amir, Julian Wright here) which should be good for 3-4 assists a game. I am okay with a PG averaging 7 assists a game(that should be the average PG in my opinion). However, due to the injury issues the guy might have, a thorough medical has to be done for him, if he does not check out 100% - we go for a backup PG with an upgraded Miami Heat draft pick in Nolan Smith and trade Calderon for draft picks.
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    I completely agree with Brooks. Never liked him and felt he was always overrated. Apparently Ariza wanted out of Houston because Brooks didn't pass the ball enough, and not just to him. Not exactly something you want from your PG. Players should WANT to play with a PG.

    Mayo I'd have no problem with. He's a good young scorer who also plays defense.

    Flynn has been remarkably unremarkable. I'd rather simply keep Calderon and Bayless, quite frankly.

    I was VERY against drafting Bradley at 13 because I simply felt he wasn't worthy of being drafted that high, I would do a Weems for Bradley trade. I don't think Bradley is ever going to be a starter, but neither is Weems, so that works out fine. The Raptors could use a third PG, anyway.
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    Within one year he took the bobcats from being a mediocre team to top 5 defensive team in the NBA and also a playoff team. Its not his fault that MJ is one of those owners who likes to meddle in his teams affairs and traded felton and chandler. No matter what anyone says you cannot deny that he is an upgrade on Jay Triano. As far as being hard on his guys, that is exactly what a young team needs.
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    I'm not sure you are familiar with Larry Brown's last few coaching jobs. He told the Cats to draft Augustine instead of Lopez - eventhough they had Felton - when C was and still is a glaring need on the team. He typically goes in and sends all players who are already there packing. He is known to hate rookies and sit them. He is known to be extremely difficult on his point guards. His act grows old very quick as has been seen in his last few coaching jobs - which I think he purposely does to get fired so he can collect the cheques at home (see: DET, NYK, CHA). CHA has played much better since he left. There is no doubt he is a good coach but I do not think he is the man for the Raptors job.

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    Quote SuperRaptor wrote: View Post
    Within one year he took the bobcats from being a mediocre team to top 5 defensive team in the NBA and also a playoff team. Its not his fault that MJ is one of those owners who likes to meddle in his teams affairs and traded felton and chandler. No matter what anyone says you cannot deny that he is an upgrade on Jay Triano. As far as being hard on his guys, that is exactly what a young team needs.
    Felton signed as a free agent and Chandler spent most of last year injured and is playing for his final contract.

    I am not debating the merits of Brown as a head coach. I am also not comparing Triano to Brown. Brown is a great coach who has experienced success just about everywhere he has gone (NCAA and NBA).

    Brown as a person and developer of young talent is what I am questioning. He is manipulative and selfish and has proven it time and again in recent years with his exits in DET, NY, and CHA.

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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    I completely agree with Brooks. Never liked him and felt he was always overrated. Apparently Ariza wanted out of Houston because Brooks didn't pass the ball enough, and not just to him. Not exactly something you want from your PG. Players should WANT to play with a PG.

    Mayo I'd have no problem with. He's a good young scorer who also plays defense.

    Flynn has been remarkably unremarkable. I'd rather simply keep Calderon and Bayless, quite frankly.

    I was VERY against drafting Bradley at 13 because I simply felt he wasn't worthy of being drafted that high, I would do a Weems for Bradley trade. I don't think Bradley is ever going to be a starter, but neither is Weems, so that works out fine. The Raptors could use a third PG, anyway.
    You mentioned that Flynn has been unremarkable - which is why I said he needs a change of scenery and with the high number of sky fliers or athletes on our team - that might just be the right fix for Flynn. Jose is getting old like Mike Bibby(which is why the Atlanta Hawks have been losing embarassingly at home despite their good record - see 41 point loss to New Orleans Hornets and 30+ points loss to Philadelphia both games at home without All-star Al Horford) and his defense coupled with the facts he could get us a late first round pick and we are rebuilding team which means it is a luxury to have guys like Jose, Reggie Evans and Barbosa on our team and they should be traded for draft picks in my opinion.

    The Avery Bradley guy is a project as I reteirate once again(I have watched some Celtics games, trust me Bradley is far from NBA ready, I would not imagine him running the game with Jose or Bayless injured. ugh.) If we want a 3rd PG, we can resign Trey Johnson for the rest of the season(he plays decent defense and is not a ball hog) or get Bobby Brown next season(or in 2 years, if there is a full lockout).
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    i too, would love for the raps to draft terrence jones. i wasn't huge on him at all at the beginning of the season but he's developed into my #1 SF. if he's available and they don't draft him im going to be wildly disappointed.

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