The Celtics biological clock is ticking loud but they will find away to reboot quicker than the others.
NYK has names but no depth and they'll likely float around 48-52 wins a season.
Philadelphia is progressing this year but can they keep building on that? This year's Milwaukee could easily be next year's Milwaukee too.
NJ still has a ways to go and may have trouble attracting talent and keeping it.
Patience people, patience.
uhm... the deathstar was blown up.... TWICE... and had the fatal flaw of having an exterior hole that could be shot into by an xw-ing fighter and destroy it... and then the second time around, the hole was even more MASSIVE.. massive enough to fly the millenium falcon into
it took a friggin glacier to take down the titanic
Nets get d-will, knicks get melo. celtics stay winning. sixers are an inch better
WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO!! IF ONLY WE COULDVE BEEN LIKE UTAH.
YOU SHIPPED YOUR ALL STAR PG FOR 2 FIRST ROUND PICKS MOST LIKELY LOTTERY
AND YOU GET FAVORS AND HARRIS.
I BET YOU BC FEELS STUPID. HE HELD ON TO THE HOPE OF BOSH STAYING WITH A NON PLAYOFF TEAM, WHEN UTAH SHIPPED THERE BEST PLAYER WHILE IN THE PLAYOFFS.
WE NEED A CULTURE CHANGE ASAP
C**tics - Garnett, Allen, Pierce
Knicks - Amare, 'Melo
Nets - Lopez, DWill
Philly - Iggy, Jrue, Brand, Turner, Williams
Raptors - DeRozan, Bargnani
Nets aren't done yet either, those are easily four playoff teams, add to it the Bulls, Heat, Magic and then you have every other team fighting for one playoff spot. It doesn't look good.
As for the Utah trade? Williams pretty much forced Sloan out of coaching. Did you really think he was going to stick around in Utah? I mean, really, it's Utah. The writing was on the wall. Plus they got a sweetheart of a deal. A very good PG, a future all-star PF and what could be 2 lottery picks - why wouldn't they do that deal? Did Bosh give an indication that he'd leave? No. At least Carmelo had the balls to tell his franchise that he wasn't really going to re-up. They learned from our and Cleveland's mistakes. Speaking of Cleveland, how come no one is harping on Danny Ferry saying that he should have traded Lebron at last year;s deadline? I mean, he should have known Lebron was going to leave. He could have got a ridiculous package for James. Instead, they're picking up all of our re-treads.
FWIW, the c**ts didn't stink 'for years.' they were a playoff team as late as '05 (not that they had any success, but that's a different argument), then had a couple down years - some would argue they tanked to get durant - when that failed, they used the assets they'd drafted to land KG. was it luck? sure. good timing? of course. fortuitous to be dealing with an old buddy? why not. so, they missed the playoffs a whopping TWO seasons and then...oh right, won it all. and yes, some members of the core are aging, but like i said, having a rondo on your roster helps, since he's argubly the best of the 'big-4' right now anyway.
oh, and brand has been playing much much much better of late. is he back? well, it's doubtful he ever gets back to being the brand he was with the clips, but he's certainly doing his part to earn his cheque. and no, iggy isn't on the block, at least from what i've heard. he's not untradeable, but he's not being shopped. and turner? i guess i'm just higher on his upside than most. and i luuuuuv me some holliday.
TRUE LOVE - Sometimes you know it the instant you see it across the bar.
I'm with the original poster. It looks grim for the raps for far longer than 3 years.
DD might turn into a consistent scorer and davis into a respectable starting 4, or it might turn out that they are just standout players on a poor team.
Bargs is a talent and an albatross.
Jose is 30. Who replaces him in 3 years? A draft pick? How long does it take a young pg to figure the NBA out? Please don't mention Bayless.
And even if we pulled a VC from the upcoming (weak) draft it would take at least 3 years to get him to the point where he's winning games for us. This might make us a .500 team, except for our very tough division.
Plus we have BC at the helm - a guy who buys his 'pieces' at Costco.
How do you extract optimism from this situation? Because we have cap space? Because some of our players are improving? We've been a lousy team for most of our history, yet I see the Leaf refrain of 'maybe next year' repeated here endlessly.
Boston is going to be competitive, if not elite, for the next 3 years. NY has two top-10 players. Championships have been won with that formula. NJ is going to draft just before or after us and already have more talent. Philly? Meh, I'm not so sure about that team long-term, but they are better than us in the short-to-mid term.
And remember folks, these teams don't have to win championships or even go far in the playoffs. They merely have to beat us.
I love the Raptors, but purple-coloured glasses just give me a headache.
If we are discussing the future, as in 2 seasons time, I disagree with the above.
BOS - on last legs if not dismantled.
NYK - a lot of pieces to add to become more than a 1st/2nd round team. Same issue there as Toronto currently faces - adding defensive pieces as scoring is not a problem.
NJ - Williams lustre certainly has faded of late. No doubt the talent is one of the best at PG in the league. Lopez is averaging under 6 rebs per game. They have 7M tied up in Outlaw - worse than Calderon, IMO, as Calderon does actually produce. Few draft picks remaining, little young talent, a star-PG who may very well leave after next season.
PHI - Brand is below his career averages and 32 in less than a month with $35M owed over the next 2 seasons, Williams is a solid back up PG paid 5M per season, AI is not worth his contract and it only gets worse, Turner is a 22 year old rookie who is struggling but will most likely improve, Young is a free agent this year and they have $54M tied up in their team already for next year. My opinion is they are right where they are going to be.
As for TOR, they have 2 players who are looking like legit 20ppg scorers. They have 2 PF's who look able to put up a double/double on a nightly basis. They have young players who might not be stars, all-stars, or even starters but they have talent as the team is quickly filling up with recent first round picks. They have a high draft pick coming (which is going to be extremely crucial for the near future) and some cap space. Even Chuck agreed that TOR has a bright future and BC has done some good things up there of late - notwithstanding the last 2 years.
Those who continue to rightfully go on about defense, look at the acquisitions of late - there is a continuing trend of trying to find athletic players who have shown ability on the defensive end.
This is not meant to be a pro-BC post or a purple-colored glasses response, the reality is for a team that just started a significant rebuild, progress is being made (salaries moved out, young players/reclaimation projects brought in, high draft pick coming, cap space available). Losing the commitment of Calderon/Barbosa for next season (and season after for Calderon) and adding another draft pick would certainly give me more confidence. Hopefully the Raps have a busy draft day and people see the forest through the trees.
With the unfocused GM style of BC and the type of long term contracts that he gives out to a barely role players in this league, the future is NOT LOOKING too bright.
I think it will be atleast another 4-5 years ( with the current GM and Coach) that we will make the play off.
And Philly has not shown, in my opinion, the ability to be 'Easily' a playoff team. They are SO inconsistent and have not proven to be any better than the Raps+ a good pick.
Though I do agree the East has gone from 'Least' to 'Beast'.
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