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    Quote heinz57 wrote: View Post
    i'd support a team made up of members of the lollipop guild, as long as they were competitive.
    LOL ... that actually did make me laugh out loud. Well played sir.

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    Quote Doc Naismith wrote: View Post
    LOL ... that actually did make me laugh out loud. Well played sir.
    i used to have a boss years ago that i wasnt very fond of.. and he was all of 5'3"ish and didn't have hiring/firing power

    i'd sing the lollipop guild song anytime i walked by his desk and did the dance...

    and in department-wide emails, i'd address him as "Pippen"

    luckily for me the manager one level above him found it hilarious too

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    Yahoo, ESPN and NBA.com ALL have him as 6'9".

    And considering Demar was measured at 6'5" a few years ago and is now listed at 6'7" everywhere you look, I think it's fair to say that 'Height w/ Shoes' is being measured. And you never know, these guys are still very young, and their bodies are only now getting PROPER, professional nutrition and training. So growing an inch at age 21-22 isn't completely ridiculous.

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    Quote Brain Colangelo wrote: View Post
    He's the same height as Luol Deng, is heavier than many PFs and runs like a gazelle in the open court. He's a physical specimen.
    Have you seen gazelles run? The don't really run, they bounce, almost like skipping. And they don't look very manly doing it, quite frankly.
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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    Have you seen gazelles run? The don't really run, they bounce, almost like skipping. And they don't look very manly doing it, quite frankly.
    how awesome would it be if he actually did run like a gazelle up and down the court...

    i think i may actually die of a heart attack due to uncontrollable laughter

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    Quote Brain Colangelo wrote: View Post
    He's the same height as Luol Deng, is heavier than many PFs and runs like a gazelle in the open court. He's a physical specimen.
    He is the next Micheal Jordan while Amir is the next Pippen !!

    Some of you guys need to get a hold of reality.

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    Check out the Star today of the group Raptor pic in London. JJ, DD and Sonny are standing together (left backrow). Either DD has grown or JJ's mentioned height isn't kosher. Thought Sonny & DD were the same ht. (not).

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    if were using that picture as a guide then its pretty fair to say JJ is about 6'8-6'9, DD is 6'6-6'7, sonny is 6'5'-6'6, johnson is most likely standing straighter because he is beside ajinca so id say amir is abuot 6'9-6'10, wright is about 6'6-6'7. ajinca is definetly 7'2 +.
    It really doesnt matter to me, im 5'10 3/4 but i always say im 5'11. plus these guys advantage are their length. they may not look as tall as another player but i bet he can get higher then their oppenent.
    Last edited by pesterm1; Thu Mar 3rd, 2011 at 03:32 PM.

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    I shared an elevator with Calderon a few times, there's no way the man is 6'2. 6 feet max with a small frame. Shawn Marian was also much shorter than you'd expect. Kris Humphries was big but not gigantic (but my girlfriend kept mentioning him, which was worrisome.

    Garbajosa, on the other hand, was huuuuge.

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    Quote Copywryter wrote: View Post
    I shared an elevator with Calderon a few times, there's no way the man is 6'2. 6 feet max with a small frame. Shawn Marian was also much shorter than you'd expect. Kris Humphries was big but not gigantic (but my girlfriend kept mentioning him, which was worrisome.

    Garbajosa, on the other hand, was huuuuge.
    I played ball against Mike Bibby one time and was defending him and visa versa. He's listed at 6'2. I'm 5'10 and he certainly wasn't 4 inches taller. 1 or 2 at most. He was, however, bar none, the strongest player I have ever played against, and I've played against some beasts, in my time.

    I met a number of NBA players when the Grizzlies were in Vancouver and only a couple were as tall as they were listed.
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    An inconsistent stud would still be of much more value in my opinion than a late pick in a weak draft.

    Weems is still in the same boat as last year in terms of still better that the majority of players picked late draft.

    I don't feel the need to wait to support a hard working, talented young player who looks like he's playing with a chip on his shoulder.

    JaMario Moon is better than most players taken later in the draft. This here is the stumbling point for the people jumping all over Colangelo about trading the pick. Most players taken that late turn out to be nothing. Most of them don't even get to play more than a handful of games in the NBA. The odds of hitting a homer are very low.
    The odds are not low. Miami's draft position sits at #27. Since 1990, 144 players been drafted at 27th or lower, who have played > 246 games in the NBA (i.e. at least 3 full seasons). They are sorted by win shares, see URL below.

    http://bkref.com/tiny/y0zXc

    It you make the cutoff at 'useful bench players or better', then somebody like Brian Scalabrine is the cutoff point. That reduces the number of NBA quality players to 123.

    Now add 'undrafted players' to the pool of guys who should have been scouted better. I compiled my own list of 46 guys at the end of the post. Feel free to add.

    So that makes 123 + 46 = 169 NBA quality players available at 27th draft position or lower. So, over the last 20 years there have been on average (169/20 = 8.45) 8 to 9 players NBA players available to be drafted at 27th or lower.

    How do like them apples, Joey?


    List of un-drafted NBA players
    =======================
    Ben Wallace
    Fabricio Oberto
    Chuck Hayes
    Reggie Evans
    Carlos Arroyo
    Jorge Garbajosa
    Mikki Moore
    Adrian Griffin
    Louis Amundson
    Randolph Morris
    Slava Medvedenko
    Jamario Moon
    Janero Pargo
    Kelenna Azibuke
    Kevin Ollie
    Malik Allen
    Matt Carroll
    Maurice Evans
    Michael Curry
    Brad Miller
    Bo Outlaw
    Darrell Armstrong
    Jose Calderon
    Udonis Haslem
    Lorenzo Williams
    Marquis Daniels
    Damon Jones
    Mike James
    Andres Nocioni
    Chris Childs
    Erick Strickland
    David Wesley
    Earl Boykins
    Robert Pack
    Charlie Bell
    Damien Wilkins
    Smush Parker
    Ira Newble
    Chucky Atkins
    Bruce Bowen
    Raja Bell
    Matt Maloney
    Larry Stewart
    Tyrone Nesby
    Quinton Ross
    Troy Hudson
    Last edited by golden; Thu Mar 3rd, 2011 at 05:52 PM.

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    Quote pesterm1 wrote: View Post
    if were using that picture as a guide then its pretty fair to say JJ is about 6'8-6'9, DD is 6'6-6'7, sonny is 6'5'-6'6, johnson is most likely standing straighter because he is beside ajinca so id say amir is abuot 6'9-6'10, wright is about 6'6-6'7. ajinca is definetly 7'2 +.
    It really doesnt matter to me, im 5'10 3/4 but i always say im 5'11. plus these guys advantage are their length. they may not look as tall as another player but i bet he can get higher then their oppenent.
    Good point on length.

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    Default So what nickname would you give James Johnson?!

    Yes I know, nicknames are lame but so are the Raptors team this season, so lets think of some clever names to pass the time.

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    The black bruce lee

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    triple J or JJJ (JJ junior)

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    Double J or JJ. He hasn't earned the right to be penned as a force of nature, a high budget movie or some form of transportation yet.

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    Quote golden wrote: View Post
    The odds are not low. Miami's draft position sits at #27. Since 1990, 144 players been drafted at 27th or lower, who have played > 246 games in the NBA (i.e. at least 3 full seasons). They are sorted by win shares, see URL below.

    http://bkref.com/tiny/y0zXc

    It you make the cutoff at 'useful bench players or better', then somebody like Brian Scalabrine is the cutoff point. That reduces the number of NBA quality players to 123.

    Now add 'undrafted players' to the pool of guys who should have been scouted better. I compiled my own list of 46 guys at the end of the post. Feel free to add.

    So that makes 123 + 46 = 169 NBA quality players available at 27th draft position or lower. So, over the last 20 years there have been on average (169/20 = 8.45) 8 to 9 players NBA players available to be drafted at 27th or lower.

    How do like them apples, Joey?


    List of un-drafted NBA players
    =======================
    Ben Wallace
    Fabricio Oberto
    Chuck Hayes
    Reggie Evans
    Carlos Arroyo
    Jorge Garbajosa
    Mikki Moore
    Adrian Griffin
    Louis Amundson
    Randolph Morris
    Slava Medvedenko
    Jamario Moon
    Janero Pargo
    Kelenna Azibuke
    Kevin Ollie
    Malik Allen
    Matt Carroll
    Maurice Evans
    Michael Curry
    Brad Miller
    Bo Outlaw
    Darrell Armstrong
    Jose Calderon
    Udonis Haslem
    Lorenzo Williams
    Marquis Daniels
    Damon Jones
    Mike James
    Andres Nocioni
    Chris Childs
    Erick Strickland
    David Wesley
    Earl Boykins
    Robert Pack
    Charlie Bell
    Damien Wilkins
    Smush Parker
    Ira Newble
    Chucky Atkins
    Bruce Bowen
    Raja Bell
    Matt Maloney
    Larry Stewart
    Tyrone Nesby
    Quinton Ross
    Troy Hudson
    Looking at the flip side of the argument you have 600 (just rounding due to expansion and a couple of extra picks in the first round, so we'll say on average 30 players per season) players over those 20 years who were drafted total.

    I'm going to ignore the undrafted, and I do not think that is fair to include them, because the number of undrafted is almost limitless and distorts reality, in my opinion. That is the reality of hitting the jackpot or, if the lottery analogy isn't very good, you could look at it as insider trading as someone uses knowledge that others do not have to their advantage (probably not a good analogy there either because insider trading is actually illegal {although the US authorities have stopped enforcing it, but that is another blog} and good scouting is not).

    So keeping with just drafted players, the odds of the pick playing 3 NBA seasons is 144/600 which is 24%.

    Given there is a 76% chance of not playing 3 NBA seasons, James Johnson had shown potential when given limited opportunities in CHI, he worked his @ss off to get in basketball shape between season 1 and 2, he is actually playing well, and provided a need the Raptors desparately had, eventhough I initially was weary of giving up the 1st rounder, I think BC did a good job and showed why many players and fans should know their role with their arm-chair transactions (speaking generalities, no slight intended golden).

    Of the list of 46 undrafted over 20 years, TOR had 3 of which BC signed 2 and Raja Bell made his name in PHX under BC and Calderon remains here because of BC. I guess one could argue BC has an eye for obscure talent as well if one considers the number of GM's in the league over 20 years and BC is directly or indirectly responsible for around 7-9% (depends if you count Calderon) of the undrafted players over 20 years making a name for themselves on his watch.

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    I'm not sure why undrafted players apply. Should I give you the names of every college senior, junior, etc. along with every international player who was not drafted and never played in the league? That would throw off your calculation big time but if we're going to go down this thought line it is required. End of the day the probability is very low for hitting the jackpot in the back end of the draft and digging back further and pulling additional tricks out of your hat doesn't change that.

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    Check out what our "6-9" player, James Johnson, can do wit' his frame...lol. Keep in mound, that was 30 pounds heavier, too.

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    Size doesn't matter, it's how you use it. Oh wait, wrong thread.

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