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    Quote joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    ("I just got owned"?, "How do I like them Apples"? , "Man up"??
    How the [censored] can I have a real conversation with this person?!?)

    At this point Golden, it's not really whether I specifically am wrong on the matter. I disagree with the argument. And alot of others here do as well.You are arguing that getting a guy like Smush Parker is a good thing. Or any other scrub thats managed to play 3 measily seasons in the league. I am arguing that a player of James Johnsons caliber will be playing in the league for 10 years+. That is the difference.

    So you keep thinking that Tyrone Nesby is going to be our starting SF. And how bout Kevin Ollie to the rescue at PG??
    And I will continue to think otherwise.
    Done with this.
    We don't have to wait 10 yrs. Within a few years, we will already know that there will be more than a handful of players of James Johnson's quality or better drafted after 27th or later, or even undrafted (should have been drafted), who will make equivalent or better contributions to their NBA team as JJ. Based on history - it is guaranteed to happen, even if you cut my list in half. That's the bottom line.

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    Quote golden wrote: View Post
    We don't have to wait 10 yrs. Within a few years, we will already know that there will be more than a handful of players of James Johnson's quality or better drafted after 27th or later, or even undrafted (should have been drafted), who will make equivalent or better contributions to their NBA team as JJ. Based on history - it is guaranteed to happen, even if you cut my list in half. That's the bottom line.
    Based on history Miami's pick was GUARENTEED to fetch us better talent than James Johnson ...?

    How can I argue with such definitive facts.

    We are all wrong, guys. Goldens right.

    Will call BC up and let him know he made a mistake.
    Last edited by Joey; Fri Mar 4th, 2011 at 01:29 PM.

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    based on history, a top 5 pick is guaranteed to be a bust. because there were some top 5 picks that were busts. so anybody with a lottery pick should sell their picks for a bucket of chicken and some biscuits.

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    Lets call him 'Dill'

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    Quote golden wrote: View Post
    We don't have to wait 10 yrs. Within a few years, we will already know that there will be more than a handful of players of James Johnson's quality or better drafted after 27th or later, or even undrafted (should have been drafted), who will make equivalent or better contributions to their NBA team as JJ. Based on history - it is guaranteed to happen, even if you cut my list in half. That's the bottom line.
    I'm going to buy a lottery ticket. Tonight, when I lose, I'm going to look at the winning numbers and tell myself how stunned I am because I didn't pick them.

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    Quote heinz57 wrote: View Post
    a friend of mine and me were once introduced to some dude who was a wannabe rapper... can't remember the name, but it was a mythical god.. so lets go with "Poseidon"... he introduced himself as "Poseidon"... i never saw my friend lose all the color in his face, visibly lose all of his energy, and get the "oh my god, i'm dealing with a simpleton" expression on his face all at once.. and then ask "no, what does your mother call you"
    Maybe his mother calls him that as well...lol. There are some crazy adults around who saddle their kids with a lifelong embarrassment.

    Was listening to the Buffalo sports station and a caller called in and volunteered he was a such a diehard (another label that gets me) fan that he named his daughter Sabre!! The possibilities...imagine answering to "Is Sabre Rattler present?"

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I'm going to buy a lottery ticket. Tonight, when I lose, I'm going to look at the winning numbers and tell myself how stunned I am because I didn't pick them.
    hahaha fantastic analogy.

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    Quote Bendit wrote: View Post
    Maybe his mother calls him that as well...lol. There are some crazy adults around who saddle their kids with a lifelong embarrassment.

    Was listening to the Buffalo sports station and a caller called in and volunteered he was a such a diehard (another label that gets me) fan that he named his daughter Sabre!! The possibilities...imagine answering to "Is Sabre Rattler present?"
    one of my suppliers at work is named "Blade"... everytime i talk to him, in the back of my head is that movie trailer voiceover saying things like "in the darkest night.. demons rule the world... only one man is brave enough.. only one man is strong enough... BLADE!"

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    Quote heinz57 wrote: View Post
    one of my suppliers at work is named "Blade"... everytime i talk to him, in the back of my head is that movie trailer voiceover saying things like "in the darkest night.. demons rule the world... only one man is brave enough.. only one man is strong enough... BLADE!"
    There's a guy out there with the name Jizz

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    Haha. This thread is guaranteed to get more retarded after every post.

    Here's what I think: There probably will be a player in this year's draft in the 2nd round that will end up being better than JJ. There almost always is at least one real good player in the 2nd round

    The odds of BC finding that sleeper in a weak draft is pretty slim. Just like the odds of all the GM's finding a sleeper in a late 1st round pick in a weak draft is slim.

    So far JJ is turning out pretty solid. Dont be so eager to jump on BC for what looks like a logical move.
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    Quote Employee wrote: View Post
    Haha. This thread is guaranteed to get more retarded after every post.

    Here's what I think: There probably will be a player in this year's draft in the 2nd round that will end up being better than JJ. There almost always is at least one real good player in the 2nd round

    The odds of BC finding that sleeper in a weak draft is pretty slim. Just like the odds of all the GM's finding a sleeper in a late 1st round pick in a weak draft is slim.

    So far JJ is turning out pretty solid. Dont be so eager to jump on BC for what looks like a logical move.
    Yep. That's what happens when you diss the new flavour of the month. People ask for data, you give it them, and then they don't like it. The also don't like the fact that BC's statement was wrong (i.e. the original point), and then try to turn it into probability argument of finding that talent vs. a draft scouting competency argument.

    But hey, just don't be dissing my new BFF - James Johnson. The new hidden gem - guaranteed to be a 10-yr NBA all-star. He's the new Bayless.... I mean Juju.... I mean Weems. You get the idea. LOL.

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    Quote golden wrote: View Post
    then try to turn it into probability argument of finding that talent vs. a draft scouting competency argument.

    But hey, just don't be dissing my new BFF - James Johnson. The new hidden gem - guaranteed to be a 10-yr NBA all-star. He's the new Bayless.... I mean Juju.... I mean Weems. You get the idea. LOL.
    The probabilities were based on your own assumptions and parameters. I guess it goes to show anyone can show anything using statistics.

    Also using the list of undrafted players over the last 20 years, BC signed 2 originally and Raja Bell made his name in PHX. 3 of the 46 undrafted players in 20 years is pretty impressive considering the number of GM's there are in the league. Not quite fair to question his drafting competency, IMO.

    Finally, I'm pretty sure the quote you continue to allude to is not giving the whole perspective. You are saying BC said James Johnson would be better than any pick available at 28. The reality is he said this:

    I just know that from our standpoint we're looking at a list of 30 or 45 players that are in this draft class and there's nobody at 28 or 29 which is where the Miami pick was at this moment, that is going to supercede his talent level or remotely come close to it.

    We're such a young basketball team right now that the thought and idea of adding two first round picks next year, our own pick and Miami pick, to an already young group is not the most tantalizing thing if you're looking at taking this a step further.
    His second point there is also a good one about the youth of the team and adding 2 more rookies is hardly going to take the team to the next level. Look at Sacramento, look at Rambis in MIN publically stating a desire for more veterans.

    You are absolutely 100% correct on the flavour of the month. Most fans are guilty of that - myself included (Weems really had me fooled earlier this season).

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    This just in….

    James Johnson
    1-8 FG, 2-PTS, 4-PF, 3-BA, 0-STL

    O’ Smush Parker. Where art thou?

    LMFAO.

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    This just in....

    Golden turns into a Troll when people don't agree with him.

    I guess with JJ finaaally having a bad game, it gives you something to work with though, eh?

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    I say we call him "Miami Dice", since BC gambled that there won't even remotely be anybody available in the draft with JJ's talent level at Miami's pick or lower.

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    Quote golden wrote: View Post
    This just in….

    James Johnson
    1-8 FG, 2-PTS, 4-PF, 3-BA, 0-STL

    O’ Smush Parker. Where art thou?

    LMFAO.
    Awesome. Thanks for wishing Johnson to fail instead of cheering on the raps.

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    @ Joey... I guess being wrong turns you into a hypocrite. So sad and ironic, coming from the guy who was up on a pulpit preaching about how "grown-ups" should carry on with civilized statistical debates on the internet. Cheers, Joey.
    Last edited by golden; Fri Mar 4th, 2011 at 05:46 PM.

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    Quote golden wrote: View Post
    I say we call him "Miami Dice", since BC gambled that there won't even remotely be anybody available in the draft with JJ's talent level at Miami's pick or lower.
    Jesus Christ. Hate much?

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    Quote golden wrote: View Post
    This just in….

    James Johnson
    1-8 FG, 2-PTS, 4-PF, 3-BA, 0-STL

    O’ Smush Parker. Where art thou?

    LMFAO.
    Nice. Are you gonna do this every time he has a bad game? How about you post all the other games as a Raptor too?
    Eh follow my TWITTER!

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