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    Default Jerryd Bayless, really?

    Although he has had a few moments that give hope to his future, does anyone really feel he is the answer for the future at PG for the Rapotrs?

    I am not sold on his ability to run a team full-time as a starter over 82 games. We all know we need improvements in certain areas, but PG is still one big concern after Jose.

    I know he has youth going for him, but I just don't see "it" in him.
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    If I was forced to make a call today I would say I think he's destined to be a bench PG. I don't think it's fair to toss the weight of the offense on his shoulders that this point in time. I also don't think it's justified to do so given that the Raptors have little invested in him at this point.

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    Quote WJF wrote: View Post
    Although he has had a few moments that give hope to his future, does anyone really feel he is the answer for the future at PG for the Rapotrs?

    I am not sold on his ability to run a team full-time as a starter over 82 games. We all know we need improvements in certain areas, but PG is still one big concern after Jose.
    I think as a starter he has proven more than capable of running the team. When he is used off the bench it is mostly along side Jose, which allows him to take the shots and be aggressive. When placed in the Startling Lineup as a PG, he has shown to be very unselfish with the ball and quite capable of getting everyone involved.
    I think it's too soon to definitively put this guy up or down.

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    I'm not really sold on him at all, he needs to show more consistency and not make so many awful passes. I do realize he's still very young and can definitely improve, but I just don't see him as our starting PG in training/waiting.

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    Personally, I'm a Bayless fan. I think he can be a very good player in this league if he gets minutes. He's put up some 7,8,9 + assist games this season when he has started. He's averaging career highs almost across the board. he just needs to build up some consistency and needs more time. Way too early to write him off. He'll never be a Chris Paul or Deron Williams, but he could very well be a guy like Tony Parker or Devin Harris.

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    I was at the game last night, and one thing I noticed was how the offence stalled when JB was in. I got the vibe that he was trying to play similar to Calderon but that's not really his style. When he's in the Raptors need to use his speed with a high pick and roll and see if he can create that way by driving an dishing.
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    I really like JB, especially his attitude. I think he might be better as a 2 though. He shows too many glimpes of TJFord-ism when playing the point. He is shoot first, pass later. I love his mugging of opposing benches though. He seems like the type of guy who loves his team and would pop his jersey to the crowd when he hits clutch shots. He has a big future here one way or another.

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    When he's started he's been great. I like the guy from what I've seen. Bayless as a starter was putting up something like 15 points, 8 assists and 4 rebounds. He was hitting the 3 pretty decenty as well. Unlike Jose who can't seem to hit anything these days.
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    Inconsistency is one of the signs that a player won't/can't be a starter on a good team in this league.

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    But he was consistently good when he started.

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    Quote jeff_hostetler wrote: View Post
    But he was consistently good when he started.
    Putting up numbers didn't help the Raptors win.

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    Quote Hotshot wrote: View Post
    Putting up numbers didn't help the Raptors win.
    Neither did having half their team injured.

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    I think Bayless is best used in conjunction with other assets BC has (ie: Evans, Weems, Wright, Dorsey, Alabi, Ajinca, Miami's pick, Toronto 2nd round pick) to trade for more legit young talent.

    Bayless is destined to be a backup PG at best, because he is NOT a pass-first PG and is too small to be a starting SG. I would rather use him and other assets to go after young pass-first PG who could be our PG of the future.

    I wish BC could pull off a miracle and try to pry Rubio away from Minnesota, or somehow land Deron Williams in free agency, as he is apparently unhappy in Utah. Pipe dreams I know, but I would rather swing for the fences with a proven talent, or acquire more first round picks to try and get the top PG in the draft, rather than rely on Bayless to be the Raptors' floor general of the future.

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    Rubio is bunk. Overhyped Prima-donna

    Bayless is legit young talent. He's not getting the playing time to develop, hence, as is, he will always be unrealized potential. He needs to play. I like Jose, but the season is a wash. Might as well see what Bayless can do now.

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    Quote jeff_hostetler wrote: View Post
    Rubio is bunk. Overhyped Prima-donna

    Bayless is legit young talent. He's not getting the playing time to develop, hence, as is, he will always be unrealized potential. He needs to play. I like Jose, but the season is a wash. Might as well see what Bayless can do now.
    If I had a vote to give time to Rubio or Bayelss before coming to a verdict as to their future in the NBA, I would take a chance on Rubio every time! As a teenager he has squared off against the best NBA players and stood his ground. I think he has the potential to be a star. Bayless is just another tweener guard like Ford and Jack. They show signs of brilliance but, at the end of the day, they are selfish me-first players who's nature isn't to facilitate team play. In short bursts they can get the rest of the team involved, but that's not the way they play and excel. They should be SG but are too small to be effective at that position. On certain rosters they could excel, but the Raptors need a true pass-first PG of the future who will eventually replace Calderon (and ideally play good defense as well).

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    Default Russell Westbrook Lite Potential

    I really like the spark he adds to the team. He plays hard defensively and has had a few games where he has come pretty close to some triple-double numbers. And for what it's worth Kevin Love was on the BS Report with Bill Simmons from ESPN and he said Jerryd was the most intriguing young player he likes to watch and that he is very under rated basically. He also mentioned how Jerryd was better than the Derrick Rose in high school so his talent is in that ballpark at least. He has just never been able to put it all together. I think he could blossom into a Russell Westbrook Lite type of player but someone would need to invest in giving him the playing time though and I'm not sure the Raptors are willing to be that team as they have little invested in him and can always swing for the fences in Kyrie Irving, the supposed next Chris Paul.

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    Rubio has also gotten worse since he was drafted by 'Sota and blew it for Spain during the past worlds.

    Bayless shows a genuine desire to get better, is a fighter, and is trying to adapt his game to be more of a PG. Also, like I posted just above, when he started when Calderon went down he racked up the assists. 8/game isn't bad for a "selfish me-first player".

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    Quote thatpeterguy wrote: View Post
    I really like the spark he adds to the team. He plays hard defensively and has had a few games where he has come pretty close to some triple-double numbers. And for what it's worth Kevin Love was on the BS Report with Bill Simmons from ESPN and he said Jerryd was the most intriguing young player he likes to watch and that he is very under rated basically. He also mentioned how Jerryd was better than the Derrick Rose in high school so his talent is in that ballpark at least. He has just never been able to put it all together. I think he could blossom into a Russell Westbrook Lite type of player but someone would need to invest in giving him the playing time though and I'm not sure the Raptors are willing to be that team as they have little invested in him and can always swing for the fences in Kyrie Irving, the supposed next Chris Paul.
    I think Westbrook is a pretty apt comparison. What he loses to Westbrook in scoring he makes up for with toughness. What allowed Westbrook to become the player that he is was playing time. People criticized him then like they do now with Bayless.

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    I for one do think that he is the future PG of the raptors and ill tell you why, 1 reason: defense. If you watch Bayless play you will notice that he does a much better job keeping his man infront of him which means that he will be able to stop penetration better than jose. Also we know that his offensive numbers have been there, he can score, and as far as him being a pass first point guard, he has never been given the reigns or the time to develop into one. From what I have seen from him I am pretty sure that given 30 min. a game he would average around 15 pts and 7 assists, that with better defense is good enough for me at PG. Give the man sometime he will be good.

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