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grindhouse wrote: View Postexactly its very tough to pick I don't envy these GM's at all especially BC who's job is probably on the line with this draft. it's potential vs what you know. I could make the same argument for faried vs biyombo that is if he is 18 -19 years old, right now they have biyombo going after faried on draftnet but not too long ago he was a top 5 pick.
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Apollo wrote: View PostHow do you know it's just a rumor? Please show me this test.Agent Claims He Can Prove Biyombo's Age
Apr 18, 2011 10:33 AM EDT
Many NBA scouts and executives believe Bismack Biyombo is older than his listed age of 18.
Coaches who have worked with Biyombo earlier in his career while he was still in Congo think he's “no older than 20 at most,” while Biyombo's agent, Igor Crespo, has evidence that proves Biyombo is even younger.
Crespo claims he took Biyombo to a specialist to conduct a bone age study immediately upon his arrival in Spain. The study involves taking x-rays of an adolescent's wrist and hand to see if his growth plates are still open. Because the cartilage in Biyombo's hand hadn't fused at that point, the specialist came to the conclusion that he could be 16 or 17 at most, but not 18, when growth plates are expected to be closed.
This obviously rules out the possibility of Biyombo being five to eight years older than he's listed, as the wild speculation we've seen recently on the Internet indicates. Crespo says he will willingly share these x-rays with any NBA team that requests them.
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Apollo wrote: View PostHow do you know it's just a rumor? Please show me this test.
http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/doctor...e-test-biyombo
If this test was truly Biyombo's x-ray, then there is no question, HOWEVER the conspiracy theorists out there are now saying there is no way to know to trust the Spanish medical records (this is not Madagascar). It could be an x-ray of someone else. That said, what benefit does the Spanish medical community get out of it. His agent, obvious, but the Docs...?
It is interesting to watch and wonder if the rumours about his age, and they are ALL just that high or low even with this medical evidence, are started by teams who want him to drop in the draft, or are simply scared at the potential truth.
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Apollo wrote: View PostWell, if there is so much doubt one would think he would simply just come out and undergo a test deemed acceptable by the teams interested. There is a lot of money on the line for him here.
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Apollo wrote: View PostThe same test he just took two years ago, except with American doctors in an American institute?
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Alright. One thing right off the bat. Ruling people out by taking advantage of the negative stigma associated with the term "conspiracy theorist" is a little bit of a cop out in my opinion. Conspiracies DO exist, have happened in the past and will happen in the future. There is nothing wrong with theories of conspiracies because sometimes they're correct. The problem with most conspiracy theories is the people coming up with them. To rule them all as bunk is irresponsible. To take everyone at face value is niaeve. Asking questions is important. Its a lost art. Now that I got that off my chest I would be interested in seeing all the facts behind this claim that he could be 26. Even if there is a shade of doubt it's worth considering, especially for a team with a likely top three selection.
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Biyombo's Age
According to experts, radiographic examination of the hand for forensic age diagnostics is flawed for several reasons:
a) the research this technique is based on is from the 1930s and 1977, and was done on a homogeneous population (i.e., middle class white males)
b) A relatively low socio-economic status delays development and is thus conducive to the underestimation of a subject’s age.
c) no ethnically diverse reference studies
d) still no satisfactory way to scientifically determine the margin of error
To estimate the age of someone between 18 and 26, a radiographic examination of the progress of ossification of the cartilage at the sternal end of the clavicle is necessary
http://www.glnbi.org/documenti/606a9...92dc128a0f.pdfNever, under any circumstances, take a sleeping pill and a laxative on the same night.
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Kemba Walker's Height
I would say that Kemba is undersized. I would say he is 5'9" or maybe 5'10". Here are pictures of Kemba taken with Shabazz Napier who is listed as 5'11".
Never, under any circumstances, take a sleeping pill and a laxative on the same night.
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Apollo wrote: View PostAlright. One thing right off the bat. Ruling people out by taking advantage of the negative stigma associated with the term "conspiracy theorist" is a little bit of a cop out in my opinion. Conspiracies DO exist, have happened in the past and will happen in the future. There is nothing wrong with theories of conspiracies because sometimes they're correct. The problem with most conspiracy theories is the people coming up with them. To rule them all as bunk is irresponsible. To take everyone at face value is niaeve. Asking questions is important. Its a lost art. Now that I got that off my chest I would be interested in seeing all the facts behind this claim that he could be 26. Even if there is a shade of doubt it's worth considering, especially for a team with a likely top three selection.
Secondly, as stated in this thread and elsewhere on RR, I in no way support taking Biyombo with the 3rd pick, have stated directly less than 10 comments ago that he would be a stretch for even top-10 (a career decision bad or good), and I would extend that to lottery maybe even top-20. Many 'experts' are leery of re-judging a player simply by his performance in the tournament, and yet so many are jumping on a bandwagon after A game. I express caution.
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HoopsWorld.com Like Valanciunas @ #3
Four out of five writers are Hoopsworld.com taking part in a "consensus mock draft" slotted Valanciunas in at #3. There was a indecision at virtually every other pick besides this one.
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