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    ya marcus is slated to go 5 spots higher and markieff is expected to go as high as 15
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    Quote MangoKid wrote: View Post
    Help me find it, brother. The only news I could find about Thompson and a promise is that the Bucks gave Klay Thompson a promise at #10.

    I read somewhere that he was working out for the Bobcats, but I think Jordan might have his sights set of Markeiff Morris.
    With top prospects in New York Thursday for media and service responsibilities, a person familiar with the draft discussions said the Pistons appear to have zeroed in on Texas small forward Tristan Thompson with the eighth pick. Thompson canceled other scheduled workouts after working out for the Pistons with five other players Wednesday. CBSSports.com

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    With top prospects in New York Thursday for media and service responsibilities, a person familiar with the draft discussions said the Pistons appear to have zeroed in on Texas small forward Tristan Thompson with the eighth pick. Thompson canceled other scheduled workouts after working out for the Pistons with five other players Wednesday. CBSSports.com
    Yikes. I hope the Pistons aren't really grooming Thompson to be their swingman of the future. Either that or CBS made a mistake. At any rate, thanks for sharing, maleko.

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    Default Jazz to take Kanter over Knight? Minnesota to take Kanter at 2?

    Oooohhhh.. the scenario it would create should this hold true.

    Utah is deciding among four players at No. 3 with two of them likely not within its reach. If Irving and Williams are indeed gone by the time they come on the clock, the Jazz are leaning toward Kanter over Brandon Knight of Kentucky, but that remains a fluid discussion for management.
    Minnesota had serious discussions Tuesday night about taking Kanter over Williams at No. 2, assuming Irving is off the board. As of late Tuesday, the Timberwolves had Williams slightly ahead of Kanter.
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    I'm actually hoping Kanter is there at five. It doesn't seem likely but I am holding out hope.

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    Everyone I talk to white or black doesn't want BC to draft a euro at least not anyone from this draft alot of people want kemba tho

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    Oh my
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    Quote grindhouse wrote: View Post
    Everyone I talk to white or black doesn't want BC to draft a euro at least not anyone from this draft alot of people want kemba tho
    Well, there are a whole lot of people around here, black, white and other, that don't care whether the Raptors draft a Euro, America or a guy from Mars, as long as he's the best player available. Kanter and Valanciunas are the two guys on top of my wish list. Coincidentally, they're both Euro.
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    I'm sure there must be buyers in the top ten for Bargnani. Does Colangelo have the guts to swap Bargnani for Biyombo? That's like sacrificing a lamb to the basketball god of defense.

    Not disagreeing with you Apollo, just want to expand on that thought: Which teams in the top 10 do you think would give up their pick for Bargs?
    Milwaukee at 10 to put him next to Bogut? I could see that.
    Charlotte at 9? Not IMO.
    Detroit at 8? Don't see it.
    Sac at 7? I could see that.
    Wash at 6? Not IMO.

    Are you talking about a Bargs for the pick+filler, or a Bargs+#5 for the pick+filler? Let's expand on this a little.

    EDIT: I think the Raps will give Bargs another year to fit in, and if it doesn't work they'll move him this time next year.

    P.S. When does Bargs BYC status change, and how does that affect his value?

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    Ya, I don't know where to put this. I had to post it. This guy is a ****ING BEAST and he's not even a senior yet. My jaw hit the floor when I watch that.

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    P.S. When does Bargs BYC status change, and how does that affect his value?
    Normally, his BYC status is a slight advantage at this point, as it allows a little more flexibility in making a deal: either the trade can happen immediately (if the BYC dollars allows it); or a trade can be agreed to, but not come into effect until July 1 when the BYC expires, if the trade requires Bargs' full salary. It's a pretty common occurrence for trades to be agreed to in late June but not actually completed until July when the new NBA year kicks in.

    However, the expiring CBA complicates this. Once the CBA expires on June 30, trades cannot occur. I'm not sure it's possible (or wise) for two teams to agree to a trade now that won't actually come into effect until after the new CBA is signed. Probably we're stuck making trades based on his BYC value.

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    @ octothorp; thanks for your thoughts on the Bargs contract status.

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    Quote RaptorsFan4Life wrote: View Post
    Ya, I don't know where to put this. I had to post it. This guy is a ****ING BEAST and he's not even a senior yet. My jaw hit the floor when I watch that.
    Nice, but it may be me just being a "veteran" fan, but I'm just not nearly as impressed with guys that dunk, anymore. Not to say I don't enjoy seeing a good one in a game, but there are loads of guys that can dunk and do absolutely nothing else.
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    Quote duncan wrote: View Post
    Not disagreeing with you Apollo, just want to expand on that thought: Which teams in the top 10 do you think would give up their pick for Bargs?
    Milwaukee at 10 to put him next to Bogut? I could see that.
    Charlotte at 9? Not IMO.
    Detroit at 8? Don't see it.
    Sac at 7? I could see that.
    Wash at 6? Not IMO.

    Are you talking about a Bargs for the pick+filler, or a Bargs+#5 for the pick+filler? Let's expand on this a little.

    EDIT: I think the Raps will give Bargs another year to fit in, and if it doesn't work they'll move him this time next year.

    P.S. When does Bargs BYC status change, and how does that affect his value?
    Bargnani is a 25 year old seven footer who just posted 21PPG. You're underrating his value on the market. You can't gauge his value based on common opinion among Raptors fans. We collectively are sick of the disappointments. Bargnani for a top ten pick is worth it to the other team. The #5 plus Bargnani to move up is crazy.

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    Default Suns shopping Nash for pick

    The Phoenix Suns' general posture has been to rebuff trade inquiries for star guard Steve Nash, but the Suns have had discussions this month with the Minnesota Timberwolves about a deal that would send Nash to Minnesota in a package for the No. 2 overall pick in Thursday's draft, according to sources briefed on the talks.

    The talks, though, haven't advanced beyond the exploratory stage. Sources described a "mutual conclusion" by both teams that such a deal ultimately would not work for the Wolves because of Nash's presumed desire to land with an established title contender if he finally does leave the Suns.

    Sources say that the player Phoenix covets in the draft is Arizona forward Derrick Williams, although Suns officials publicly have denied reports that they have alternatively offered center Marcin Gortat and the No. 13 overall pick for the No. 2 selection instead of Nash.
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    poor guy. free nash.
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    Personally, I'm hoping the guy can land on a contender. I wonder could he and Kobe co-exist?

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    Bargnani is a 25 year old seven footer who just posted 21PPG. You're underrating his value on the market. You can't gauge his value based on common opinion among Raptors fans. We collectively are sick of the disappointments. Bargnani for a top ten pick is worth it to the other team. The #5 plus Bargnani to move up is crazy.
    I'm not gauging my opinion based on what Raptor fans think, and I know about Bargs' pros. The problem is, teams around the league don't look at Bargs based on what he can do, they look at him based on what he can't do. Meaning, I think that all the other teams have had 5 seasons to watch him, and I don't think that any team is going to trade for him so that he can be their starting 5. Maybe a starting 4, next to a quality 5, or the first big off the bench, but no team is going to trade for him and put him in the same situation he is in here.

    Further, you didn't really expand on the dialogue any more, you just tried to shut me up. I asked you specifically what you thought about the other 8 teams in the top ten giving up their pick for him, and you couldn't (or wouldn't) expand on your theory. Everyone here on the forums respects your knowledge of the league, and your position here on the website, and wants to hear your detailed thoughts on this subject.

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    No, I think they're going to look at what he can do and what they feel they can teach him to do. Bargnani has never been under a well established coach or in a good program. I think teams out there are going to look at the situation and decide to roll the dice on him thinking they can do what the Raptors have not been able to do.

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