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    I am not convinced that Perry Jones' future in the NBA is as a Small Forward, I truly see him as a Mobile 4 man like Andre Blatche, KG. He has good form on his shot but has range only to 17 feet, given his dominant frame and mobility he is only and average rebounder and does not get the blocks and steals you would expect. I like his upside, but I don't want to draft a guy that is nto a small forward and try and turn him into one. Remember what we did to Andrea early, in and out of the lineup at 3 different positions, and we still have people that think he should play the 3.
    Not sure of the last time I heard someone suggest Bargs play SF, but I probably would have laughed at them.

    I think Perry Jones will likely end up getting put at PF like you suggested, only to spend his entire career being Jeff Green.
    Could be flourishing and blooming at SF where he was a Speed, Height, Reach advantage over most opposition.
    His 17' Range can very easily be expanded.

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    Not sure of the last time I heard someone suggest Bargs play SF, but I probably would have laughed at them.

    I think Perry Jones will likely end up getting put at PF like you suggested, only to spend his entire career being Jeff Green.
    Could be flourishing and blooming at SF where he was a Speed, Height, Reach advantage over most opposition.
    His 17' Range can very easily be expanded.
    I agree about Green being more of a 3 than a 4, but I don't think he would be an all-star on the wing, I see Green as a Luol Deng very good, but not quite a star. Jones is a little different as he has great length for a 4 and is not undersized like Green. As for expanding his range, how has that worked for DeRozan so far? Jones is averaging 12.5% from the college 3, I don't see him becoming a threat from NBA 3 any time soon.

    As for Bargs as a 3 I am with you, I laugh every time I see someone mention that, but even tis year I have read post on other forums that want as a 3, hell some people have mentioned Amir developing as a small forward.

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    As for expanding his range, how has that worked for DeRozan so far?
    Look at Derrick Rose, Shannon Brown and even Monta Ellis as perfect examples.
    Derozan has done quite commendably at extending his range thus far. Considering he's still 21 years old and has now pretty consistently (arguable, but still) hit the 20 foot jumper.
    I think if you look at guys like Rudy Gay, Gerrald Wallace and Josh Smith as well, they all came in with VERY spotty long range jumpers but have now made it a fairly consistent weapon within their arsenal. I wouldn't not pick a guy just because of an iffy jumper. Now if his work-ethic to improve said jumper is lacking, THAT is where the problem lies.

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    Quote joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    Look at Derrick Rose, Shannon Brown and even Monta Ellis as perfect examples.
    Derozan has done quite commendably at extending his range thus far. Considering he's still 21 years old and has now pretty consistently (arguable, but still) hit the 20 foot jumper.
    I think if you look at guys like Rudy Gay, Gerrald Wallace and Josh Smith as well, they all came in with VERY spotty long range jumpers but have now made it a fairly consistent weapon within their arsenal. I wouldn't not pick a guy just because of an iffy jumper. Now if his work-ethic to improve said jumper is lacking, THAT is where the problem lies.
    Rose shot 33.7% from 3 in his one year at Memphis
    Shannon Brown shot over 35% over his 3 years at Mich ST.
    Ellis in his first NBA season shot 34%

    I am not saying Jones can't or will not become a good shooter with range, I am saying that it should not be a main focus on his development as he has other things he brings to the table.... as a power forward!

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    What does it even matter if he can hit threes? I think people in Raptorland greatly overrate the three ball because it's been such an important piece to this mediocre franchise for so long... The kid got talent and there are no indications that he is incapable of learning.
    Last edited by Apollo; Mon Feb 7th, 2011 at 06:15 PM.

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    Someone who can hit the three would be nice but I want a very strong perimeter defender and a rabid rebounder at the 3 spot on this team more than anything else.

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    Someone who can hit the three would be nice but I want a very strong perimeter defender and a rabid rebounder at the 3 spot on this team more than anything else.
    Wait a year for Michael Gilchrist. Or try to swing a deal for Brewer.

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    I am warming back up to Barnes, he has a huge game vs. Duke on Wednesday, I think it will tell us where he is in his development.

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    I am warming back up to Barnes, he has a huge game vs. Duke on Wednesday, I think it will tell us where he is in his development.
    I watched the game vs. North Carolina State (C.J. Leslie). At the time itw as his best game of the year (25pts) but I came away from it thinking, "He is a spot up shooter." Everything I had read about him before was how he could create his own shot off the bounce in addition to shooting. I'm hoping he gets it together and that game vs. Duke is going to be a good one.

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    I watched the game vs. North Carolina State (C.J. Leslie). At the time itw as his best game of the year (25pts) but I came away from it thinking, "He is a spot up shooter." Everything I had read about him before was how he could create his own shot off the bounce in addition to shooting. I'm hoping he gets it together and that game vs. Duke is going to be a good one.
    In High School he was a can't miss slasher. Could get past anyone.. I think now he is just adjusting to actually having to think on offense and use his talent to get past people and not rely on the fact they are just not as talented.
    The fact that he has shown an ability to knock down the open jumper is a huge plus as it basically seperates him from the MANY other slashers coming into the NCAA. Once he gets tired of jackin' shots he'll fall back on his bread and butter, and show his real potential as a multi-dimensional wing. Hopefully.

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    Perry Jones is a player I'd try to avoid. He has been dominated in a couple of games this season already, particularly against Kansas where the Morris twins carved him up. And he hasn't exactly carried Baylor on his back. The only thing that can give Perry a break, is that scouts said that Baylor doesn't know how to use him and he just isn't doing well at the 4 position. Sorry, I'll pass on a soft player, with a low b-ball IQ and too much talent that he doesn't know how to use.

    Also, I am still in favour of picking Derrick Williams, the comparison to Beasley, is his scoring prowess and body/athelticism. Unlike, Beasley he doesn't have a jump shot, but also he has a higher b-ball IQ, motor and work ethic.
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    I was just playing with the ESPN mock lottery game and TOR drafted anywhere from 2-9 and everytime they drafted Enes Kanter.

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    Quote Raptorsss wrote: View Post
    Perry Jones is a player I'd try to avoid. He has been dominated in a couple of games this season already, particularly against Kansas where the Morris twins carved him up. And he hasn't exactly carried Baylor on his back. The only thing that can give Perry a break, is that scouts said that Baylor doesn't know how to use him and he just isn't doing well at the 4 position. Sorry, I'll pass on a soft player, with a low b-ball IQ and too much talent that he doesn't know how to use.

    Also, I am still in favour of picking Derrick Williams, the comparison to Beasley, is his scoring prowess and body/athelticism. Unlike, Beasley he doesn't have a jump shot, but also he has a higher b-ball IQ, motor and work ethic.
    Williams is averaging 69% from 3 this year...not a typo! He makes 1 per game so he is not high volume, but he can shoot the ball.

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    Williams is averaging 69% from 3 this year...not a typo! He makes 1 per game so he is not high volume, but he can shoot the ball.
    I should clarify, he doesn't have a mid-range game. He scores either within 10 feet of the basket or from the 3-point line.
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    Your Mock Draft has the Raptors picking Kanter. Don't we have glaring needs at PG & SF?
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    True. But right now Raptors are drafting 5th and the best PG (Kyrie Irving) and SF (Perry Jones and Terrence Jones) are off the board. Plus Kanter does something that Andrea Bargnani doesn't -- he actually tries to rebound.
    Source: ESPN.com

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    I am warming back up to Barnes, he has a huge game vs. Duke on Wednesday, I think it will tell us where he is in his development.
    Barnes needs another year at UNC, has the NBA frame, but still needs to develop one more year before he is ready.

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    Based on everything I've been reading, I think them winning the lotto is a bad thing this year. 2006 was the wrong year for them to win it but that was their year. 2006 and 2011 sound a lot alike. There is no consensus #1 choice. There is no one in the top that is separating themselves from the pack. Each pick in top fives of mock drafts come with more question marks than usual. This draft may go down like 2006 where the best player isn't found at the top and whoever lands the top pick is in a can't win situation with the fans in media. That being, they could get the guy they want as low as 5th overall, they know he's probably not going to be a Superstar, they know he's probably not ready to make a big impact but no one really wants to pay the "going rate" to move up into the #1 slot because they don't want to trade their way into the current 1st overall pick holder's situation. If the Raptors win a higher spot in the draft I would much rather it be #2 or #3. The majority of we the fans were not fair to Bargnani in the early stages. We wanted instant gratification and he wasn't offering that like Yao Ming or LeBron James were at the time and so us along with the media were far too hard on him, far too impatient and it created a pressure cooker situation that I feel he wasn't ready for. The Raptors lotto pick, whoever it might be, will enter into a far more nurturing Toronto and NBA if they are not selected #1. Not only does the #1 have to deal with the local fans and media's great expectations but also, I am of the opinion that the American media loves to see Canada's only team fail and they love to kick them when they're down. Some people may find this view ass backwards but whatever. It is what it is. I want the new young gun to enter into the best situation possible and that won't be via the 1st overall selection. That's a bad scenario in a draft where the #1 isn't likely to be any better than the #5.
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    Perry Jones III (Baylor) – 6'11, 220 lbs. Forward
    At 6'11 with the ability to play multiple positions out on the floor on both ends, Perry Jones III is the kind of prospect teams fall in love with at draft time. He'll win them over even more when they watch what he's capable of in a private setting. He's currently ranked as our top prospect, although there is a strong argument that can be made for other players like Irving, Sullinger, Jonas Valanciunas and Derrick Williams of Arizona. The Toronto Raptors immediately jump out as an ideal destination for Jones as they have a talented young core that is lacking only at the small forward position right now. Best Fit: Toronto Raptors.



    Read more NBA news and insight: http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?...#ixzz1DgOj8ztA

    HoopsWorld is saying P. Jones would fit best. Personally, if a SF is drafted, I think T. Jones is the better option. (I'm speaking only game here, not questions of work ethic (P) or attitude (T) - for both players!). T. Jones is a strong rebounder and shot blocker - maybe a little Crash in the making? - and these are attributes the Raps need more of.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Perry Jones III (Baylor) – 6'11, 220 lbs. Forward
    At 6'11 with the ability to play multiple positions out on the floor on both ends, Perry Jones III is the kind of prospect teams fall in love with at draft time. He'll win them over even more when they watch what he's capable of in a private setting. He's currently ranked as our top prospect, although there is a strong argument that can be made for other players like Irving, Sullinger, Jonas Valanciunas and Derrick Williams of Arizona. The Toronto Raptors immediately jump out as an ideal destination for Jones as they have a talented young core that is lacking only at the small forward position right now. Best Fit: Toronto Raptors.



    Read more NBA news and insight: http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?...#ixzz1DgOj8ztA

    HoopsWorld is saying P. Jones would fit best. Personally, if a SF is drafted, I think T. Jones is the better option. (I'm speaking only game here, not questions of work ethic (P) or attitude (T) - for both players!). T. Jones is a strong rebounder and shot blocker - maybe a little Crash in the making? - and these are attributes the Raps need more of.
    Though I fully agree that TJones is a monster, I've always been very high on Perry Jones and was actually quite happy to see this 'Best Fit' article. I think his length and versatility are something that TJones won't be able to offer. Not to mention his raw athleticism. He's the best athlete in the draft. Him and Demar beside each other would be the second coming of TMac and Carter. No one could catch em if they tried. Hopefully they're not the actual next Tmac and Carter and decide our Management is too unbearable to deal with. haha

    Bottom line, I think either of them would fill a HUGE void on this roster and I'd be happy with either. But if I'm picking one of em, I'm going with Perry.

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    Quote joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    Bottom line, I think either of them would fill a HUGE void on this roster and I'd be happy with either. But if I'm picking one of em, I'm going with Perry.
    You are absolutely correct. This roster is thin on talent and either one would certainly help increase it. At this point beggers can't be choosers.

    My only concern is with a line up of possibily Jose, DD, Perry, Amir/Davis, and Bargnani the team could be renamed the Toronto Marshmellows.

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