Keep: ED, Amir, Dorsey, Ajinca. Maybe on Alabi, but if we are taking a contract with the TPE need to send something...
On the fence: Evans and Bargnani. The former is great but brings us nothing in the total build. He is great as a Rodman type for a team that has a couple of stars, we aren't there yet and won't be in the life remaining in his career. As for the latter, I am back and forth all the damn time. His BYC is up (no way BC would have traded him before anyway because of that), so he now can bring back some value, and he has value. At the end of the day he is probably the only piece that can get us a good 1st round pick and a player...at least that we would trade.
Amir has suddenly become a big time trade chip. Too bad he's hurt, he can't be showcased. Based on that I got a hunch he will stick around. Too bad if he supplants Ed, i think big Ed should start. Hell, Demar started since his rookie campaign, and Ed is showing the same flashes of brilliance.
Ofcourse he's well rounded. He's the best defensive player on the team, rebounds at a good enough clip and does a few things extremely well offensively.
No doubt Ed will be better, and has allstar potential.
The question always is not who but for what. Many of you vastly over rate what teams will give up for a player on the 5th worse team in the league. Secondly, if they ever did get rid of Bargs they better replace him with a combination of points and defense. They might actually get something for him. However the other 4 bigs getting minutes are somewhat offensively challenged. Outside of DD and Ed I would accept offers on any of them. But this team can't be leaving it to JuJu and Dorsey to score points next year.
I think we've already fixed on the mindset that this season is done and we're trying to figure out which bigs to keep next year. I think that was the question at hand.
IMO, a legit starter should be playing 30-35 mins a game. Heck with the youth legs that Davis, Demar, and Bargs have, they should be playing closer to 40. Lebron, Kobe are 40 min career avg players. If the team decides to play Bargs and Davis at least 35 mins per night, how many minutes will be left for Amir? I would say 13-15 mins. How productive will he be given 15mins? Oh i think he'll be worth the 15mins, but will his salary parallel to that? will he accept only such minutes? Dont get me wrong, id love to have both amir and ed but i think one definitely has to give.
Jared Sullinger (if you don't draft a wing or PG)
You can't get anything for Johnson and you can get more from Bargnani. Time to build around Davis and Derozan and that pick. No offense to Andrea, but no one is untouchable on an 18-48 team and you need to give up something to get something.
C - Bargnani
PF - Davis
PF - Johnson
C - Alabi
Ajinca - hasn't proven anything and a big defensive/rebound minded C would be more suitable to backup Bargnani
Evans - will likely sign with a contender; not worth what we'd have to pay him to stay
Dorsey - assuming he's gone, but for minimum contract could stick around as 3rd PF
** IF we can draft Irving, I like the idea of him starting with Bargnani/Davis/DeRozan, with the Calderon/Amir tandem on the 2nd unit! In this scenario, Bayless & the TPE become trade bait to land a solid starting SF and/or legit backup C.
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Also, down the line, if we're good again, I don't see why Amir can't (very) effectively play both backup forward positions.
Keep (in order): Ed, Amir, Reggie (in the , Ajinca, Dorsey and Alabi
If we end up drafting Sullinger then Ajinca goes. Alabi is a long-shot right now but at his price he is worth having around just to see if he gets it - also nice for salary matching. Ajinca is more expensive than Alabi but the trade throw-in approach holds true and with Bargs gone it may be best to give Ajinca some real run ans see what is there.
Reggie gets as much as $3-4 million. The reasoning is simple - his grit, try and spirit is an example the team needs to see AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. As well, in practice he is probably a total load to play against and Ed/Amir et al NEED to face that kind of determination if they are goingh to get better.
Bargs needs to go. I would even take an expiring and a draft pick at this point. Another year in the low lotto won't hurt and, with any luck, the pick will fill a hole. This year the pick can't help but fill a hole as C, SF and PG are all lacking.
Bargs needs to go. I would even take an expiring and a draft pick at this point. Another year in the low lotto won't hurt and, with any luck, the pick will fill a hole. This year the pick can't help but fill a hole as C, SF and PG are all lacking.[/QUOTE]
Face it kids, Bargnani's clueless defence is here to stay as long as Mario and BC are around. I do not mind so much. When he is hitting his shot, he is pretty hard to stop. Bargs needs to be a better shooter. He is never going to be a rounded center, but he needs to be better at what he is supposed to be good at. Get him a shooting coach and get him to practice more shooting.
We need a good big big to round out our frontcourt. No offence to Reggie, but he is no 7 footer who can intimidate on the shots or get other bigs to miss. I love watching him on the boards - he is great at anticipating where the rebound is going. That said, Sullinger looks solid, but he is a PF and would open Johnson or Davis for a trade. A serious center would give the rotation some great flexibility with Bargs being able to play PF some, and AJ being able to be matched up better. Right now, he is getting pounded by some big people. Dude deserved a little break.
I think we will see a wing player come in the draft. I would not be surprised to see BC trade down and go for Kwahni Leonard, though I think he will look more at a Harrison Barnes.
Bargnani, Davis and Amir are our best big men. And all three are very valuable, and I wouldn't trade any of them unless a good offer comes up.
Bargs and a beefed-up Ed Davis as the starters for the future ... with Amir as the first bench big, and ideally Reggie if he'd come for around half the mid-level.
Ajinca-Solo-Dorsey ... I'd take any of them as end of benchers.
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