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    You have to decide how may to keep before addressing this in any detail. My thoughts on order of value:
    Ed Davis - young, lots of upside and he play defense (you know, the thing in your zone). He and Demar are the closest to untouchable the Raps have
    Amir Johnson - great energy, however, could easily be nudged down the list because he and Ed may end up at the same spot. Despite the overlap he has a lot of team-friendly intangibles that are good even if he doesn't start.
    Andrea - a distant 3rd. Has the polish and offensive tools but it is time for him to stop being the perennial future of the team.
    Reggie - at the right price, I'd put him as high as 2.
    Alexis - still haven't seen enough, but shows good confidence on the floor
    Joey Dorsey - may be he's hit his ceiling?
    Solomon Alabi - early to say either way but he isn't going to be a Mozgov-calibre dealbreaker on the trade market. He'll have time to develop in TO or Erie.

    Pare the list down according to what we need.
    Ajinca - still young

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    Amir and Ed are absolutely positively keepers. Dre is 50/50 in my book if he can wake the fuck up and ive been saying that for like 5 seasons. Reggie evans stays but ONLY for the Vet's minimum or something close to that. Dorsey, Ajinca and are more no than yes. Alabi stays on the team but as a ball boy.

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    Quote Edgar wrote: View Post
    Everything is for sale - need an upgrade of talent at all positions in order to be a relevant contender type. Amir for a mid-first rounder? Check. Calderon for a lottery pick? Check. Our whole starting lineup for a young superstar type player? Check.
    Either stick with a group and watch them grow or just trade for Iguodala, Granger, and sign iverson next season for 38 wins and the hatred of many. Honestly I think this group has a chance to become something but you need to give it time. If BC trades any of our core for one swing for the fence player i'm gonna kill myself.

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    Bargnani should be moved but only if you get something good for him. You can't just give him away. I've always been intrigued by Marc Gasol of the Grizzlies. He's a restricted free agent this summer. I wonder if the Grizz would be open to a Bargnani for Gasol trade. Putting Ed Davis and Gasol beside each other in the front court would be awesome.

    As for Reggie, love him a lot but you need to think logically on this. He's 31 and in a contract year. The way he plays, he's going to get run down and might be prone to injury. He would be great on a championship team as a 6th, 7th, or 8th guy. You also need to see what type of money he'll want. If he wants anything close to the $5 million/year he's making now, that's too much money to be investing in him. Something in the neighbourhood of 3 years at about 2.5-3 million/year is acceptable if he's willing to be the 4th big in the rotation.

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    Quote jd4 wrote: View Post
    Bargnani should be moved but only if you get something good for him. You can't just give him away. I've always been intrigued by Marc Gasol of the Grizzlies. He's a restricted free agent this summer. I wonder if the Grizz would be open to a Bargnani for Gasol trade. Putting Ed Davis and Gasol beside each other in the front court would be awesome.

    As for Reggie, love him a lot but you need to think logically on this. He's 31 and in a contract year. The way he plays, he's going to get run down and might be prone to injury. He would be great on a championship team as a 6th, 7th, or 8th guy. You also need to see what type of money he'll want. If he wants anything close to the $5 million/year he's making now, that's too much money to be investing in him. Something in the neighbourhood of 3 years at about 2.5-3 million/year is acceptable if he's willing to be the 4th big in the rotation.
    Speaking of Memphis, I wonder if there is any way we could go after Zebo? Apparently they are not 100% interested in keeping him around. Not sure if he fits BC's clean-cut standards tho.

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    Speaking of Memphis, I wonder if there is any way we could go after Zebo? Apparently they are not 100% interested in keeping him around. Not sure if he fits BC's clean-cut standards tho.
    How do you see him fitting in with the Raptors? That means you want to ship out ED?

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    Quote Maleko wrote: View Post
    How do you see him fitting in with the Raptors? That means you want to ship out ED?
    I like Ed, BUT, that woudl be a no brainer.

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    Quote Multipaul wrote: View Post
    Speaking of Memphis, I wonder if there is any way we could go after Zebo? Apparently they are not 100% interested in keeping him around. Not sure if he fits BC's clean-cut standards tho.
    Am I the only one who isn't buying the "new" Zach Randolph? This guy earned himself another big deal, I just remember how the majority of the last one went. I don't like him as a player. I don't trust that he will play up to his potential after locking up his next deal. I'm not worried about him landing here though. The Raptors have a lot invested in Ed and Amir. Also Colangelo has a fairly consistent track records of staying away from players who's character and maturity are in question.

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    Zach Randolph? ZACH RANDLOPH????? Shouldn't the Raptors be GETTING RID OF players who don't play defense, not getting more of them?

    Shall we look at getting Al Jefferson or Corey Maggette, too?
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    If Bargnani stays then what's the point? Get Dwight Howard along side him? That would probably work, but it ain't happening. The only way I'd accept Bargnani staying is if he came off the bench. That's not gonna happen either. He has to go (like, 3 seasons ago).

    Amir and Ed are the bigs to keep, and right now they are almost the same player. I'm not sure yet if that's a bad thing or not, but I guess it would depend on who our 5 is because neither of the two can guard opposing 5s. In any case both are worthy rotation players on any team.

    I would love to have Reggie as a veteran mentor. However, unless he absolutely loves it here and would stay for cheap, I don't think we can afford him since lots of teams would want his services.

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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    Zach Randolph? ZACH RANDLOPH????? Shouldn't the Raptors be GETTING RID OF players who don't play defense, not getting more of them?

    Shall we look at getting Al Jefferson or Corey Maggette, too?
    Actually I wouldn't mind getting Maggette to play off the bench. He would solve our offensive problems at the 3, and he would definitely get to the line a lot. Cause a lot of foul trouble to the opposition and sometimes even get double teamed. With him, it would give Bargnani and DeRozan more space on offense. But yeah, Corey Maggette is still Corey Maggette.

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    Quote JoePanini wrote: View Post
    Actually I wouldn't mind getting Maggette to play off the bench. He would solve our offensive problems at the 3, and he would definitely get to the line a lot. Cause a lot of foul trouble to the opposition and sometimes even get double teamed. With him, it would give Bargnani and DeRozan more space on offense. But yeah, Corey Maggette is still Corey Maggette.
    The last time Maggette played any defense was when he was at Duke. Instant offense is nice, but I've had enough with these no-defense guys. When a team is at the bottom of the league on defense, but basically in the middle of the pack on offense, the last thing you need to do is bring in another offensive player who can't defend.
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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    The last time Maggette played any defense was when he was at Duke. Instant offense is nice, but I've had enough with these no-defense guys. When a team is at the bottom of the league on defense, but basically in the middle of the pack on offense, the last thing you need to do is bring in another offensive player who can't defend.
    True dat.
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    Quote Multipaul wrote: View Post
    I like Ed, BUT, that woudl be a no brainer.
    You're right about the brain part. None.
    Last edited by Maleko; Fri Mar 18th, 2011 at 01:47 PM.

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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    The last time Maggette played any defense was when he was at Duke. Instant offense is nice, but I've had enough with these no-defense guys. When a team is at the bottom of the league on defense, but basically in the middle of the pack on offense, the last thing you need to do is bring in another offensive player who can't defend.
    It really depends on his contract. I wouldn't mind having him a year to make our games more exciting! Obviously he's not a player you want to build with.

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    Quote JoePanini wrote: View Post
    It really depends on his contract. I wouldn't mind having him a year to make our games more exciting! Obviously he's not a player you want to build with.
    True that you don't want to build with him, but I wouldn't take him no matter what the contract. With a young team like the Raptors, you need to create the right atmosphere and mindset among the players. They need to learn how to play the right way, and having guys on the team who simply don't care about defense will hurt the development of the team as a whole. Besides, I don't think high scoring games with bad defense is exciting.
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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    True that you don't want to build with him, but I wouldn't take him no matter what the contract. With a young team like the Raptors, you need to create the right atmosphere and mindset among the players. They need to learn how to play the right way, and having guys on the team who simply don't care about defense will hurt the development of the team as a whole. Besides, I don't think high scoring games with bad defense is exciting.
    I think that him being on a team won't really affect the guys on the team, and their mindset. That's more of the coach's role. I didn't really see Milwaukee play bad on D with Maggette there?
    Well when you consider we go crazy when DeRozan goes for a slam, with Maggette around there would be a lot more drives and dunks Anyways, I think Barnes would solve our problem at the 3. After that we'd only need a good PG and a defensive center. Seems so easy, damn. Takes me a couple trades on 2k11 to make the Raptors a contending team

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    Quote JoePanini wrote: View Post
    I think that him being on a team won't really affect the guys on the team, and their mindset. That's more of the coach's role. I didn't really see Milwaukee play bad on D with Maggette there?
    Well when you consider we go crazy when DeRozan goes for a slam, with Maggette around there would be a lot more drives and dunks Anyways, I think Barnes would solve our problem at the 3. After that we'd only need a good PG and a defensive center. Seems so easy, damn. Takes me a couple trades on 2k11 to make the Raptors a contending team
    Ha true. However easy it appears, it still takes the GM doing it and behind the whole defensive center thing. Hopefully we see that this summer.

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    Another Solid game by Evans off the bench !! It is getting harder and harder trying to justify why we want to Keep Amir Johnson and let Evans to walk away.

    BC move Amir and fix ur mistake.

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    Quote Maleko wrote: View Post
    Defense...yes...defense.
    wow, I actually agree with MP for once. Bierdrins blocks some shots but he's always hurt, can't hit a FT to save his life (makes Reggie look like Nash) and can't handle bulky guys at all. His game is incredibly overrated IMO.

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