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    Default Is Cory Joseph a starting caliber point guard?

    With the acquisition of Cory Joseph many Raptors fans think that Lowry will be traded this season allowing CoJo to assume the starting role and Delon Wright to move to the backup PG spot.

    Is Cory good enough to start though? There's a small sample of games he started last year that we can use to maybe get a bit of an idea of how he could perform as a long-term starter.

    Cory Joseph Stats (As A Starter) 2014-15:
    14 GP
    34.6 MPG
    13.2 PPG
    4.5 RPG
    3.6 APG
    1.6 TOPG

    56.2 FG%
    44.4 3PT% (Attempted just 9 though)
    75.0 FT%

    118 oRTG
    109 dRTG

    The Spurs record in these games was 7-7 for the record which was subpar for them. However it was against an extremely difficult set of opponents and many of the losses were very close (including two 3OT losses).

    These numbers look really good. Ridiculously efficient, great on the glass, and good assist to turnover ratio. Corey also put up these numbers on only 16.8% USG which is pretty low for a starting point guard, so it's possible that if given a Lowry type role (low-mid 20s USG) he could produce better boxscore stats and take a little hit to his efficiency (which would still likely leave him as a very efficient player anyway).

    The question is though, how much did the Spurs system benefit him? I think it definitely helped but not as much as it helps guys like Patty Mills and Danny Green who are primarily stand-still shooters offensively. Cory is a slasher and creator. He was only assisted on 44% of his shots last year which is much less than Mills (68%) and Green (82%), and actually even lower than DeMar DeRozan (45%), so he definitely doesn't rely on others to create shots for him.

    Then we all know how good he is on the defensive end. So to be honest I think he could be our starter long-term and dare-I-say it possibly even become an upgrade over Lowry considering that he has the size, strength and speed to be a stopper defensively as well.

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    I think he needs another year of being a backup with the ball in his hands more to work on his playmaking and become a bigger threat from 3. Trade Lowry in the offseason if cory and delon look ready for bigger roles

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    The raptors starting PG controversy trilogy is complete!

    Part 1: TJ vs Jose
    Part 2: Jose vs Kyle
    Part 3: Kyle vs Cory

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    Quote mcHAPPY wrote: View Post
    The raptors starting PG controversy trilogy is complete!

    Part 1: TJ vs Jose
    Part 2: Jose vs Kyle
    Part 3: Kyle vs Cory
    Whatever happened to TJ Ford?

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    Quote psrs1 wrote: View Post
    Whatever happened to TJ Ford?
    Re-injured his back because of a dirty hit by Horford .. was never really the same afterwards ... such a shame ... LOVED TJ.
    #FreeCoJo

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    I think he has all the makings of a very solid starting pg in the mold of Jkidd.

    Not the greatest scorer, but put him in some pick and rolls with a fundamentally sound big man(Hello JV!) and you have the maikings of an efficient pairing.

    His defense is very good as well which is can be a bitch for opposing teams.

    Only thing is we would need a wing players who can not only get out and run/defend but can hit the 3 at a very solid rate.

    I think one of our best lineups this season will be

    Cujo
    Ross
    Carroll
    Ppat
    JV

    Provided the offense is not iso first and runs a more set style with Cujo and JV being the cogs to it all and Ross/Carrol benefiting from cuts and kickouts.
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    SG:Rick Barry1966-1967: 35.2ppg, 9.2rpg, 3.6apg, all nba 1st
    SF:AK472005-2006: 15.3ppg, 8.0rpg, 4.3apg, 1.5spg, 3.2bpg, all defensive 1st team
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    Quote Joey wrote: View Post
    Re-injured his back because of a dirty hit by Horford .. was never really the same afterwards ... such a shame ... LOVED TJ.
    I don't get how the majority of NBA fans forgot what Horford did to TJ. If that happened now Horford would be known as a bitch

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    Quote Snooch wrote: View Post
    I think he has all the makings of a very solid starting pg in the mold of Jkidd.

    Not the greatest scorer, but put him in some pick and rolls with a fundamentally sound big man(Hello JV!) and you have the maikings of an efficient pairing.

    His defense is very good as well which is can be a bitch for opposing teams.

    Only thing is we would need a wing players who can not only get out and run/defend but can hit the 3 at a very solid rate.

    I think one of our best lineups this season will be

    Cujo
    Ross
    Carroll
    Ppat
    JV

    Provided the offense is not iso first and runs a more set style with Cujo and JV being the cogs to it all and Ross/Carrol benefiting from cuts and kickouts.
    I think I'd rather see
    Joseph
    Ross
    Jj
    Patterson
    Biyombo

    That unit would play very good scramble defence, has 2 really good shooters with Joseph being respectable from 3, and jj because they'll need a little more ball handling/ someone who can create for themselves.

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    Quote MACK11 wrote: View Post
    I don't get how the majority of NBA fans forgot what Horford did to TJ. If that happened now Horford would be known as a bitch
    Its a tough play to watch ...


    I was watching this game, and shit man ... it still hurts.
    #FreeCoJo

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    Quote mcHAPPY wrote: View Post
    The raptors starting PG controversy trilogy is complete!

    Part 1: TJ vs Jose
    Part 2: Jose vs Kyle
    Part 3: Kyle vs Cory
    What about the Jarret Jack vs. Jose Calderon spin-off book?

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    I think you guys are forgetting how good Kyle Lowry is.
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    Quote Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    I think you guys are forgetting how good Kyle Lowry is.
    That really wasn't the question, whether KL should be replaced. Could CJ be a starter, maybe. For me, I need to see him play here first to make an informed opinion to the question.

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    Quote Katman wrote: View Post
    That really wasn't the question, whether KL should be replaced. Could CJ be a starter, maybe. For me, I need to see him play here first to make an informed opinion to the question.
    I agree 14 games in a total different system isn't enough. He has proved that his a solid back up though
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    I think he's the backup until summer 2017. That year we could have max cap room to chase a superstar, potentially even with both DD and JV signed to significant (though not their max) contracts, if we let Lowry walk. So if that summer is the key time for Masai to add top talent to the core two of DD and JV (if either or both are viewed as such), CoJo being able to step into the starting PG role at that time is key.

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    CoJo is a different type o guard than Lowry. He reminds me of one of my all time favorite Raptors, Alvin Williams! I don't think his number will ever blow you away, but with the right mix of players he could be our guy on a winning team that goes pas the first round. He could be like a Mike Conley type PG with a little better size.
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    Quote Katman wrote: View Post
    That really wasn't the question, whether KL should be replaced. Could CJ be a starter, maybe. For me, I need to see him play here first to make an informed opinion to the question.
    Quote Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    I agree 14 games in a total different system isn't enough. He has proved that his a solid back up though
    With this kind of attitude, maybe you guys should be posting someplace else. This hardly falls under the RR tradition of shooting first and asking questions later.

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    Cojo is a baller' fo' real.

    Yes, I think he could start with the right players around him. I think he'd be a better fit with a 3+D 2 guard if he's playing the point rather than playing along side someone like DD who isn't a 3 point threat.

    I think Cojo is easily as good as any of the starting caliber point guards in the east and can compete against most starters in the west, not all, but most. He has a long way to go but he's an extremely talented pg.
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    Quote BS10 wrote: View Post
    ....
    I think Cojo is easily as good as any of the starting caliber point guards in the east and can compete against most starters in the west....

    ....He has a long way to go but he's an extremely talented pg.
    One of these things is not like the other.

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    I think COJO will have an opportunity to be the starting point guard in 2017.
    KLow will miss games in 2016 so he'll start occasionally.

    Masai always seems to place players in a position to succeed. If COJO gets better, Klow can go. I'm excited for that concept because COJO knows what kind of player to become a la Tony Parker in order to win a championship.

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    Quote Puffer wrote: View Post
    One of these things is not like the other.
    I meant he's a long way to go in fully developing his potential. I think he can still expand on his offensive skillset and learn things to make him a more dangerous point guard. However, because of his defensive skills and his ball handling ability and playmaking capability I think he can be a starting caliber point guard.

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