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    Quote jimmyhunter wrote: View Post
    James Johnson.
    Fair enough. I'm fine with that, as I love me some Jam Johnson.
    Just not sure Casey is so fond of him anymore.
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    Why can he play the 3? A better question would be, why cant he play the 2 either?

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    Three things impact DD's being able to play the 3.

    1. height/weight
    2. strength
    3. desire

    DD's game (slasher w/ no real outside shot) would translate better as a standard 3, but he doesn't have 1. the size(height/weight), 2. the strength, or 3. the desire to fight a bigger/stronger opponent.

    Were we to get a solid 3&D SF (Batum?), DD could effective play the better fit for him at SG - and a 3pt shooting PG (Nash or Jose) and a 3pt shooting PF in AB would stretch the floor enough to make DD effective. Otherwise DD will be a 6th man SG/SF at best.

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    demar is simply not talented enough to belong on the floor either 2 or 3.

    Highly inefficient, spends too much time holding the ball, doesn't play defense, can't dribble for sh i t , can't rebound... unless these things change next year, (unlikely imo) he has no business being on the floor, 2 OR 3.

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    Demar just needs to bulk a a little bit. He's quick enough to stay in front of most sf's in the league hopefully Ross being there will be somewhat good for Demar cuz, he has to look over his shoulder now. And, in a side note since we're looking for a small forward, what about rashard lewis? Isnt he an SF? maybe we can sign him for cheap and maybe only for a year and see what he can do under casey's system. Whatchu think?

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    Watch the press conference of the introduction of Quincy Acy and Terrence Ross, and Dwane made a joke, that Demar looks like a power forward now. But this was to state Demar DID bulk up. I think him being stronger, and his very good athleticism should be able to hold good ground.

    Offensively, it shouldn't be a problem. The guy averaged 16 points per game this season on a streaky perimeter shot, mid range game, free throws, and layups/dunks. Not a great shot creator, but he was able to be a "diamond in the rough." Not too mention he has his best games against the bigger name teams, i.e. In Miami this past season scoring 25 points on an efficient 50% shooting, 8-16 from the field, 9-11 from the free throw line, and at home scoring 28 points on 9-17 FG% shooting, and 10-10 from the free throw line. Can't really say he CAN'T match up well against bigger players.

    Defensively, people continue to put names up of LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Carmelo Anthony, saying, "how he is going to guard those type of guys?" Well, you tell me who CAN guard those guys consistently? Don't say Thabo Sefolosha either, because if he could, the Thunder probably would've lost in more than 5 games... Demar Derozan is a perimeter player, he guards stronger shooting guards like Wade, Bryant, and seems to fair nicely against them.

    IMO, he does have his liabilities, but he isn't a player you can take full advantage over, he can give you production, and he can guard players when he really puts his mind to it, we saw it inconsistently (same case with Andrea Bargnani). I'm willing to experiment him at the 3, but Terrence Ross in my mind would seem better as a 3, but either way, both would compliment each other perfectly on the wings together.

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    i think demar can totally play the 3. depending on who they get to play the 3 demar might be holding ross's spot at the two.

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    Quote Miekenstien wrote: View Post
    i think demar can totally play the 3. depending on who they get to play the 3 demar might be holding ross's spot at the two.
    +1 His spot minutes were very nice, I think he can play a long period of time at the position. Like Dwane Casey mentioned, they're JUST wing players. Numbers are nothing.

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    I think DeMar can play the position but not effectively. In a line up with Bargnani at the PF you need your SF to be a good rebound and help defender more so than on a team with two defensive minded bigs. However, If Casey wanted to go with a more offensive minded line up DeMar and Ross at the wings with Nash dropping dimes to them would be pretty sick.

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    Quote Mediumcore wrote: View Post
    I think DeMar can play the position but not effectively. In a line up with Bargnani at the PF you need your SF to be a good rebound and help defender more so than on a team with two defensive minded bigs. However, If Casey wanted to go with a more offensive minded line up DeMar and Ross at the wings with Nash dropping dimes to them would be pretty sick.
    You're absolutely right about the offensive end! and with Bargnani at the four, and Demar at the three, I don't believe you need to be as good as a rebounder you are referring too. James Johnson rebounded the ball well enough, but offensively we were a liability. So really, both ways have their ineffectiveness, but if Nash were to sign here, offensively we would flourish more than defensively, but defensively we wouldn't regress in my opinion, especially with a young anchor coming in. One thing about us last season, we were good defensively because we had good defensive sets/matchups, not so much the skills/players to do so. I mean, Amir Johnson & Aaron Gray were our centers this past season, and they both have one thing over the other, but Jonas is a more athletic, longer, taller, higher potential player than either Amir and Aaron.

    Dwane did mention as well they wanted to run more, they lacked talent, and really we aren't a liability with Nash replacing Calderon, Ross replacing JJ, and Jonas replacing Amir. I feel we get better now and for the long term.

    Demar has improved his ability to do different things, and I feel he will be a better rebounder because of an addition of strength.

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    When you need to cover up weaknesses defensively, we can always turn to the zone.

    But seriously, DeMar doesn't rebound because he leaks out and floats on the perimeter. Switching him to the 3 would actually work to his advantage because he would be forced to stay inside a little bit more.

    Also, as of right now, he will only see spot minutes at the 3 if coach decides to play Ross or someone else at the 2 together with DeMar. We still have James Johnson, our "defensive stopper" and Kleiza at the 3, our chucker. Both guys are capable of manning the 3 spot for stretches.

    We are also anticipating another 3 coming toward us. When everything is settled, I think DeMar or whoever it is with the starting 3 spot will be better than last year's .... Rasual Butler. That, I can guarantee.
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    I didn't really know where to put this but with Barnes coming in and Jefferson's huge contract what does everyone think about trading for Dorrell Wright? He's a solid "3 and D" guy that would fit Casey's mold and could start.

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    Quote Eric Akshinthala wrote: View Post
    After their failed efforts to land a 3 through trade, I think the drafting of Terrence Ross was with the hope that he would develop into a starting 3. Yes he needs to bulk up to be able to compete with the likes of Lebron, JJ etc., but his good rebounding skills makes him a better candidate for the job. Long term.
    I don't think Colangelo is done. I trade for a SF might be in the works as we speak.

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    Quote RaptorReuben wrote: View Post
    Watch the press conference of the introduction of Quincy Acy and Terrence Ross, and Dwane made a joke, that Demar looks like a power forward now. But this was to state Demar DID bulk up. I think him being stronger, and his very good athleticism should be able to hold good ground.

    Offensively, it shouldn't be a problem. The guy averaged 16 points per game this season on a streaky perimeter shot, mid range game, free throws, and layups/dunks. Not a great shot creator, but he was able to be a "diamond in the rough." Not too mention he has his best games against the bigger name teams, i.e. In Miami this past season scoring 25 points on an efficient 50% shooting, 8-16 from the field, 9-11 from the free throw line, and at home scoring 28 points on 9-17 FG% shooting, and 10-10 from the free throw line. Can't really say he CAN'T match up well against bigger players.

    Defensively, people continue to put names up of LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Carmelo Anthony, saying, "how he is going to guard those type of guys?" Well, you tell me who CAN guard those guys consistently? Don't say Thabo Sefolosha either, because if he could, the Thunder probably would've lost in more than 5 games... Demar Derozan is a perimeter player, he guards stronger shooting guards like Wade, Bryant, and seems to fair nicely against them.

    IMO, he does have his liabilities, but he isn't a player you can take full advantage over, he can give you production, and he can guard players when he really puts his mind to it, we saw it inconsistently (same case with Andrea Bargnani). I'm willing to experiment him at the 3, but Terrence Ross in my mind would seem better as a 3, but either way, both would compliment each other perfectly on the wings together.
    +1

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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    I didn't really know where to put this but with Barnes coming in and Jefferson's huge contract what does everyone think about trading for Dorrell Wright? He's a solid "3 and D" guy that would fit Casey's mold and could start.
    He's not a terrible option. I think I prefer Wilson Chandler better because of shot creating abilities. But Wright is a knock-down shooter with length. He's still young and can still improve and he's also a pretty good rebounder.
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    I think DeMar could play the three. The guys being mentioned (lebron/durant) get shut down by very few defenders. I think he could hold his own as a SF. He does need more strength though. I actually think his offensive game suits the SF position a bit better.

    Where he really lacks is rebounding. If DeMar was on another team it wouldn't be an issue, but having a PF that doesn't rebound well, creates problems. The slack has to be taken by the SF in this situation.

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    Go after chandler

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    I would disagree with both of these statements.
    I think if you go here, you will notice that, yes we all know he isn't much of a 3-Point shooter, but inside 15-feet, he shoots 50%, while shooting 59% at the Rim.
    Good stats for a Slashing-3.
    Yes he did shoot 59% on shots at the rim, but so did Kobe Bryant... at age 33. Andre Iguodala and Dwayne Wade shot at around 67-68.5% at the rim last year. So really 59% isn't all that great, especially since can finish all the time during fast breaks and open dunks and layups. It means that he isn't all that good with contested layups.

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    That is why added strength will prove beneficial for DeMar. It would make finishing around the rim easier if he can handle the contact instead of losing his balance because he gets hit.

    His offense is more suited for the small forward position. Honestly, it would be a nightmare for opposing 3's to chase DeMar off endless screens. Also, he's good at moving without the ball. Meaning, if we do sign Nash, and DeMar finds the little cracks in the defense, Nash will find him.
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    Quote stefan5301 wrote: View Post
    But the thing is, is that stronger bigger SF's are going to destroy us. Who's going to defend the Joe Johnsons, Lebrons, Rudy Gay's and such? Are you going to sub in James Johnson at that point? Then if we sub in James Johnson, we're going to have to have either Demar or Ross playing at the two, but we don't know which one would be better suited. Personally I'd go with Ross, since he does spread out the floor better, good for someone who passes well like JJ or Calderon.
    Demar has the tools to be a decent man defender. He just needs the mentality. Also, Bargs has to improve his help defending.

    I think the jury is still out on Ross at the NBA level. Hopefully, he carries over his strengths over from college.

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