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    Quote tkfu wrote: View Post
    He's not 5th in "scoring"; he's 5th in points per game. Usage is a per minute stat. The relevant comparison would be 12th in usage, 15th in points per minute.
    Hmmm... DeMar was 4th in minutes played, 19th in Field Goals, 17th in FGA, 7th in FT, 8th in FTA, 11th in points...

    He scores a lot of points for the amount of shots he takes, he played the same amount of minutes as Kobe, everyone who made more freethrows than him were all stars, and looking strickly at SGs Kobe, Steph, Monta, and Harden outscored him. He does what he does well, and efficiently when you include free throws as free money.

    So why the hate?

    If this is about whether he fits on the Raps that's one debate but doubting that he is/or is near a top 10 SG in the league doesn't work for me.

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    Quote blackjitsu wrote: View Post
    Hmmm... DeMar was 4th in minutes played, 19th in Field Goals, 17th in FGA, 7th in FT, 8th in FTA, 11th in points...

    He scores a lot of points for the amount of shots he takes, he played the same amount of minutes as Kobe, everyone who made more freethrows than him were all stars, and looking strickly at SGs Kobe, Steph, Monta, and Harden outscored him. He does what he does well, and efficiently when you include free throws as free money.

    So why the hate?

    If this is about whether he fits on the Raps that's one debate but doubting that he is/or is near a top 10 SG in the league doesn't work for me.
    That expression really bothers me.

    Just throwing it out there.

    You can be skeptical or have doubts without hating the guy.

    As for the top 10 SG in the league, if you are talking about top 10 scoring SG you have a great point. However there are many more facets to the game: defense, rebounding, passing, dribbling, moving without the ball to name a few. When looking at the complete package, I do think it is debatable.
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    So how many 3 pointers should DeMar be taking a game 4?

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    Quote Rapstor4Life wrote: View Post
    So how many 3 pointers should DeMar be taking a game 4?
    I'm not sure but the average per48 minutes is 6.1 as per theNBAgeek.com

    So for DD that would be more than tripling his attempts from last season (1.9 per48).
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I'm not sure but the average per48 minutes is 6.1 as per theNBAgeek.com

    So for DD that would be more than tripling his attempts from last season (1.9 per48).
    The answer is much simpler than that, only if he is wide open and his feet are set. No step backs, or pull-ups. Ok if the recipient of good ball movement and the defence is rotating. Otherwise, drives, cut and post-up.

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    DeMAr should only be taking catch and shoot 3s imo I agree with Axel he shouldnt be going Steph Curry for a 3 point shot. With better 3 pointers on the floor beside him however Gay (Arguably) Novak, Lowry Ross Daye etc shouldn't he be operating more to his strengths?

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    Quote Axel wrote: View Post
    The answer is much simpler than that, only if he is wide open and his feet are set. No step backs, or pull-ups. Ok if the recipient of good ball movement and the defence is rotating. Otherwise, drives, cut and post-up.
    I agree with you.

    The post to which I responded asked how many not the situation though.

    But again I can't emphasize enough how much I agree with you.

    One thing that has always pissed me off about DD is his refusal to shoot a 1/2 or deeper shot with just a couple of seconds. He'll hold it and/or dribble until the horn is gone and then launch it. Drives me mad. The only reason I can think of is he is thinking about %s. There is almost no chance it goes in but there IS still a chance.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I agree with you.

    The post to which I responded asked how many not the situation though.

    But again I can't emphasize enough how much I agree with you.

    One thing that has always pissed me off about DD is his refusal to shoot a 1/2 or deeper shot with just a couple of seconds. He'll hold it and/or dribble until the horn is gone and then launch it. Drives me mad. The only reason I can think of is he is thinking about %s. There is almost no chance it goes in but there IS still a chance.
    Yeah, I know you were responding to the question, but the question is fundamentally wrong. There should never be a quantitative goal with regards to 3PT shooting (or any shooting really) but the goal should be on quality of looks. The only "shot" that you can have a goal for is Free Throws (or more likely, fouls drawn since and1 calls are less FTAs).

    Demar needs to completely forget about 3 pointers this season. Cut, cut, then cut some more. Once you get the ball, drive. If you have the match-up, post-up. He needs to use his athleticism to his advantage. Out run, out jump, out hustle the other guy on every play.

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    Quote Axel wrote: View Post
    Yeah, I know you were responding to the question, but the question is fundamentally wrong. There should never be a quantitative goal with regards to 3PT shooting (or any shooting really) but the goal should be on quality of looks. The only "shot" that you can have a goal for is Free Throws (or more likely, fouls drawn since and1 calls are less FTAs).

    Demar needs to completely forget about 3 pointers this season. Cut, cut, then cut some more. Once you get the ball, drive. If you have the match-up, post-up. He needs to use his athleticism to his advantage. Out run, out jump, out hustle the other guy on every play.
    This + ball movement should be the goal for DeMar and Rudy this year. I'd like to see a lot more motion in the offensive sets - hopefully fewer standing still iso's for those two, as well as those plays where a series of screens and cuts are designed to get the ball into Rudy's/DeMar's hands. You can totally tell that's the end of the play sometimes, when those guys catch if off the screen, face up, and everybody stops moving (except for Fields, who's probably making a baseline cut). That standing and holding the ball allows the defense to set, which reduces their FG% and makes getting to the rim a lot harder. Quicker decisions with the ball - attack or move it.

    Otherwise, I'm also alright with DeRozan. It would be nice if his contract were a bit lower, but then it would be a great deal. It's acceptable as is, and he's a hardworking, young player at the just-below-all-star level. DeMar's not the problem - the lack of top tier all-star/franchise players on the team is the problem. DeMar could very well help a good team win games. We don't need him to be Kobe.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    That expression really bothers me.

    Just throwing it out there.

    You can be skeptical or have doubts without hating the guy.

    As for the top 10 SG in the league, if you are talking about top 10 scoring SG you have a great point. However there are many more facets to the game: defense, rebounding, passing, dribbling, moving without the ball to name a few. When looking at the complete package, I do think it is debatable.
    I hear you. But where is the mass of shooting guards that are superior to DeMar in numerous realms the way that DeMar is strong in multiple offensive categories? Obviously it's not an exact science, but going through multiple statistical rankings it's hard to see more than 10 SGs who are dominant over DeMar using the tools available to the layman.

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    Quote blackjitsu wrote: View Post
    I hear you. But where is the mass of shooting guards that are superior to DeMar in numerous realms the way that DeMar is strong in multiple offensive categories? Obviously it's not an exact science, but going through multiple statistical rankings it's hard to see more than 10 SGs who are dominant over DeMar using the tools available to the layman.
    Off top of my head, I would say:

    Wade
    Kobe
    Harden
    Martin
    Thompson
    Johnson
    Manu
    JR Smith
    Crawford
    Igoudala
    Evans
    Mayo
    Butler
    Healthy Lou Williams
    Healthy Gordon
    Maybe Monta
    on par with Henderson
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Off top of my head, I would say:

    Wade
    Kobe
    Harden
    Martin
    Thompson
    Johnson
    Manu
    JR Smith
    Crawford
    Igoudala
    Evans
    Mayo
    Butler
    Healthy Lou Williams
    Healthy Gordon
    Maybe Monta
    on par with Henderson
    I disagree with a lot of this list. My take...
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    Wade
    Kobe
    Harden
    Johnson (Might retract that, since I don't think he has the mobility to defend Derozan).
    Thompson (Haven't seen much of him, but he seems to be a 3-D player)
    J.R. Smith (Unfortunately, I'll concede)
    Iguodala
    Mayo (the same level as Derozan, but I'll put him here)
    Lou Williams (too short to guard Derozan)
    Gordon (when healthy..too short to guard Derozan)
    Hayward (maybe..)
    Beal (Too short, but he might already be better).
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Off top of my head, I would say:

    Wade
    Kobe
    Harden
    Martin
    Thompson - ?
    Johnson - No, Joe has been on a downturn for a while
    Manu
    - I wish I could agree -- old age... I hope you're right on this one
    JR Smith - what statistics are you using to mention JR?
    Crawford
    Igoudala - is he a sg or sf?
    Evans
    Mayo - last year he did less than DeMar...
    Butler
    Healthy Lou Williams
    Healthy Gordon -- I don't see it, not for the past few years...
    Maybe Monta
    on par with Henderson
    Man I hope I'm wrong on Manu.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I agree with you.

    The post to which I responded asked how many not the situation though.

    But again I can't emphasize enough how much I agree with you.

    One thing that has always pissed me off about DD is his refusal to shoot a 1/2 or deeper shot with just a couple of seconds. He'll hold it and/or dribble until the horn is gone and then launch it. Drives me mad. The only reason I can think of is he is thinking about %s. There is almost no chance it goes in but there IS still a chance.
    this drives me CRAZY too! ive been saying it for a while now, he does it every time. We should stop inbounding the ball to him in these scenerios.

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    Quote blackjitsu wrote: View Post
    Man I hope I'm wrong on Manu.

    Thompson = Klay
    Johnson = even on the decline I'd give the nod to JJ - might change after this year.
    Manu = even old better
    JR = points, rebounds, assists, steals, win share, WP48
    Igoudala = SG who can play SF, like DD
    Mayo = he scored less and more efficient, he didn't do less elsewhere
    Lou and Eric = time will tell if time really heals all wounds

    On the first go around I forgot Wes Matthews and then there are the young guards such as Beal.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Thompson = Klay --- AHHH! Okay, yeah we agree
    Johnson = even on the decline I'd give the nod to JJ - might change after this year.
    Manu = even old better
    JR = points, rebounds, assists, steals, win share, WP48 --- Cool
    Igoudala = SG who can play SF, like DD
    Mayo = he scored less and more efficient, he didn't do less elsewhere ---it felt like he dropped off as the season moved on
    Lou and Eric = time will tell if time really heals all wounds

    On the first go around I forgot Wes Matthews and then there are the young guards such as Beal.
    Definitely a Beal guy, but its more potential than what he is now. At present I lean towards DeMar.

    Looked up OJ...His last 20 games he had no 20 point games and multiple single point games.
    Everything else looks good. Was he injured? Beef with the coach? That anomaly has me leaning towards DeMar.

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    Quote blackjitsu wrote: View Post
    Definitely a Beal guy, but its more potential than what he is now. At present I lean towards DeMar.

    Looked up OJ...His last 20 games he had no 20 point games and multiple single point games.
    Everything else looks good. Was he injured? Beef with the coach? That anomaly has me leaning towards DeMar.
    Yeah, should have said Beal was potential right now - but he is almost there. Beal missed a shit load of games last year but if he can put up the numbers he did last year in January, February, March on a consistent basis, he and Wall are going to be scary.

    Mayo did drop. Carlisle called him out on it too. Definitely was a beef there and from Carlisle's end it was his unprofessionalism. Still, based strictly on skill and stats, I give the nod to Mayo. If you are talking about who is a better team guy and worker, then I think you go with DD every time.
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    After watching the intra-squad scrimmage, and him shooting in the open gym episodes, his stroke looks almost effortless.. He shoots the 3 without effort, compared to past season where his form would go out of wack.

    EDIT: Do you guys know the girl who you can hear counting down: "5, 4, 3, 2, 1!" near the end of shot-clocks? Well, DeMar was making fun of his fiancee because she's the one that counts down.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I agree with you.

    The post to which I responded asked how many not the situation though.

    But again I can't emphasize enough how much I agree with you.

    One thing that has always pissed me off about DD is his refusal to shoot a 1/2 or deeper shot with just a couple of seconds. He'll hold it and/or dribble until the horn is gone and then launch it. Drives me mad. The only reason I can think of is he is thinking about %s. There is almost no chance it goes in but there IS still a chance.
    Almost every player in the league who plays significant minutes does this nowadays. LeBron, Wade and Durant have even admitted to doing it. It's annoying, but in a more stat-driven league you can see why they would do it.

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    Quote Xixak wrote: View Post
    Almost every player in the league who plays significant minutes does this nowadays. LeBron, Wade and Durant have even admitted to doing it. It's annoying, but in a more stat-driven league you can see why they would do it.
    It is still bullsh!t. I don't care who does it. It is a classic example of the individual putting themselves before the team.
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