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    Quote ball4life wrote: View Post
    Hard work IS a talent
    Agreed. For example, JR Smith would have shot-making and off-the-dribble creativity as talents, but lacks defensive instincts, rebounding instincts, superior court vision, and hard work.

    Having the talent of Hard work makes all your other talents better because you have conditioning, repetition, and above all comfort in more situations as an edge over your opponent.
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    I hate Demar's game but honestly... the dude is inspiring for other players especially young kids to come in and to get going with business. For that sole reason i hope MU doesn't make basketball decision on DD and trade him for mid lotto picks and projects.

    and I hope Demar somehow magically learn to defend his man for gods sake!
    No question he is inspiring.

    His talent hasn't brought him where he is, it is his work ethic.

    However, and believe it or not I'm not slighting him, when you get a guy who is naturally talented and with a work ethic..... you have guys like Kobe, Jordan, Duncan.
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    I would argue that DeRozan is extremely talented and he's where he is today equally due to talent an effort.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    I would argue that DeRozan is extremely talented and he's where he is today equally due to talent an effort.
    This. Pretty silly/foolish to say DeMar is not talented.

    He just doesn't have the generational talent of a Kobe or LeBron. He has a very high level of talent though, and the effort he put into his game has allowed him to maximize it.

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    Quote imanshumpert wrote: View Post
    This. Pretty silly/foolish to say DeMar is not talented.

    He just doesn't have the generational talent of a Kobe or LeBron. He has a very high level of talent though, and the effort he put into his game has allowed him to maximize it.
    Tim Duncan also had/has generational talent.

    That was my point.

    DeMar does have talent but his work ethic has made him an all-star.
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    Quote mcHAPPY wrote: View Post
    Tim Duncan also had/has generational talent.

    That was my point.

    DeMar does have talent but his work ethic has made him an all-star.
    Yeah my issue was this

    when you get a guy who is naturally talented and with a work ethic..... you have guys like Kobe, Jordan, Duncan.
    Which basically insinuated that DeMar does not have natural talent. Now if you said "generational" or "elite" talent, then it wouldn't have been a problem for me.

    That's all.

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    Quote imanshumpert wrote: View Post
    Yeah my issue was this



    Which basically insinuated that DeMar does not have natural talent. Now if you said "generational" or "elite" talent, then it wouldn't have been a problem for me.

    That's all.
    Everyone in the NBA has talent.

    It is not difficult to see which players things just happen naturally for.

    I don't consider DD to be in that "naturally" category.

    That's all.
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    Obviously DeMar is talented LMAO

    How the hell is he in the NBA?
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    But DeMar does have natural talent...

    The dude can jump out of the gym for starters. Pretty sure he didn't spend his childhood doing box jumps.

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    Quote imanshumpert wrote: View Post
    But DeMar does have natural talent...

    The dude can jump out of the gym for starters. Pretty sure he didn't spend his childhood doing box jumps.
    He has natural athletic abilities.

    Is athleticism a skill/talent? I would say no but I'm happy to disagree.
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    K I'm done, zero common ground here.

    Moving on, anyone seen any updates on DeRozan as far as offseason training/drew league/etc so far?

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    Quote imanshumpert wrote: View Post
    K I'm done, zero common ground here.

    Moving on, anyone seen any updates on DeRozan as far as offseason training/drew league/etc so far?
    I thought we both agreed he has talent?
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    Quote ball4life wrote: View Post
    Hard work IS a talent
    Yes! Thank you! Posted this elsewhere but it fits:

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    Personally, and this could be me with my Demar blinders (love his work ethic, an intangible that's hard to find and raises his value in my eyes), I wouldn't get out of bed for less than MKG, Henderson, #9 and either Zeller or CDR.

    Demar is so so sooo much a part of this locker room and along with Lowry, the reason we've performed so well this season. He is their leader and they truly look up to him. He, in turn, sets a great example with his incredible determination and desire to improve/win. Obviously there's a point where the team will get way better by trading him, but a lot of these trade scenarios are redundant at best when they're not negative overall.
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    Haters gonna hate. DD is here to STAY

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    Quote mcHAPPY wrote: View Post
    Tim Duncan also had/has generational talent.

    That was my point.

    DeMar does have talent but his work ethic has made him an all-star.
    No, both talent, work ethic and opportunity made him an all-star. Is anyone in here going to question the effort of the likes of JYD, Alvin Williams or Matt Bonner? Are any of those guys all-stars? Exactly.

    Hard work is not talent. Hard work is inspiration & motivation. Anyone can work as hard as they can work but some people either don't want to do that or don't see the value in doing that.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    No, both talent, work ethic and opportunity made him an all-star. Is anyone in here going to question the effort of the likes of JYD, Alvin Williams or Matt Bonner? Are any of those guys all-stars? Exactly.

    Hard work is not talent. Hard work is inspiration & motivation. Anyone can work as hard as they can work but some people either don't want to do that or don't see the value in doing that.
    Exactly.

    DeRozan wants to work and that work ethic has maximized his talent making him an all-star. A guy who came in to the league with no shot, no dribble, no play making skills worked his ass off and became an all-star. That is hard work, not talent. He still has an inconsistent shot overall, his dribbles are still weak, his play making has improved but still is sketchy.

    Who has more talent? Nick young or DeRozan? Young. Who has had a better career? DeRozan.

    Who has more talent? Jr smith or DeRozan? JR. Who has had a better career? DeRozan.

    I'm not seeing the panty bunching here. DeRozan is talented. His work ethic/character has helped him reach most of his potential. Guys like young and smith are more talented. Unfortunately they don't put the work in to their games like DD.....imagine if they did.


    Essentially DeRozan is your honor roll student who works his ass off to be there. We all know someone (or we are) the honor student who didn't have to do jack shit to get there.... Hello nick young and jr smith.
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    I would suggest going back to 4156 and seeing how this conversation unfolded.

    DeRozan could be in the same conversation as Tim Duncan work ethic wise.

    There is no f*cking chance in hell he is in the same area code as talent.

    Take off the homer glasses gents.
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    Who the heck is comparing his talent to Tim Duncan? Tim Duncan one of the greatest players of all time. No one is connecting these dots, are they?

    DeMar is an All Star or in other words one of the better team stars in the league.

    Tim Duncan is a SUPERSTAR, as in one of the greatest of all time.

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    Quote mcHAPPY wrote: View Post
    I would suggest going back to 4156 and seeing how this conversation unfolded.

    DeRozan could be in the same conversation as Tim Duncan work ethic wise.

    There is no f*cking chance in hell he is in the same area code as talent.

    Take off the homer glasses gents.
    Dude stop FUCKING throwing out insults and calling people homers.

    Had zero issue with what you were saying (even though I don't agree with it) up until this.

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    @mchappy wtf is your definition of talent
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