Again, the point of the statement was not to state whether DeRozan is or isn't as good as Melo. The point was to evaluate whether a player with DeRozan's production from last year can be the focal scoring point on a contender. It appears that this is the case with a strong enough supporting cast.
Some of you (*cough* mcHAPPY *cough* OldSkoolCool) are just arguing with me for the sake of it because we've had several arguments in the past on a range of topics.
http://grantland.com/features/carmel...knicks-legacy/) I think that comparing DD to Melo is a little flawed in that he has never been on a team that truly CONTENDED. Part of this is that his teams have not been very good aside from him. I would disagree with some of what you are saying, but it's an interesting case.
You've created a one sided argument just for the sake of arguing. Look through the discussion. Some people voiced a different point of view (I didn't even do that, I just clicked "like" to a couple of posts) and you went on the offensive telling people not to get upset. Then when someone who agrees with you posts you reply thanking them for using logic and reasoning.... otherwise known as a passive aggressive insult to two people who have an opposing view and another person who "liked" their posts.
Your point is well known and understood (as an aside, are you even reading people's response?). It is just all your points are the same: DeRozan is amazing and is not a franchise player but look! look! look everybody! how his numbers compare to this player or this team that had success but, but, but he is not a franchise player and is not paid like one!
So what is the lesson here? imanshumpert is not happy unless he is arguing about DeRozan.
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Therefore, if/when his usage goes back down again, his efficiency will go back up with it.
I'm not saying it's a definite or that you're wrong, but it is possible.
You could just as easily dig up a team that won 24 games with a Derozan-like player leading the charge, and that wouldn't "prove" anything either. None of it means anything as basketball simply doesn't work that way. Each season is different; different supplementary players finding different chemistry, different match ups with other teams, different breaks along the way, injuries, luck, etc. That's why it's frustrating to read all of the "Player A had such and such a stat line and won so many games so because player B did the same thing the Raptors are destined to follow suit!" I mean there's a post on the main page that says Klay Thompson = Terrence Ross because they had similar shooting percentages during their second years. That's insane. Stop trying to extrapolate all of the Raptors into greatness. Some of these guys won't live up to expectations. Some of them will exceed them. And the answers aren't hidden in a spread sheet somewhere.
Like I said earlier, we don't need to scour basketball reference to see what a team with a 'player like DD' is capable of… we're able to observe a team that has a player exactly like DeRozan (spoiler: it's actually DD) and see what they accomplished last season and going forward. That's the only real proof that we should be interested in.
Last edited by Fully; Fri Jul 25th, 2014 at 09:56 AM.
I guess this discussion would only really be valid if we had the exact same supporting cast as the 2008-09 Nuggets, since we don't I suppose it's a waste of time.
Heh, if he is in the D-league still in a few years I will be surprised.
Hope you're wrong.
Posters can't let go of what people said months ago, or they take the comments of one or two people and blanket everyone who weighs in on the topic and doesn't agree with them as having the EXACT same opinion. People stop reading what posters are actually writing because they're so desperate to show that they are "right" from a debate that started in January.
Read back through this thread and you'll see I've defended DD against guys like OldSchool and McHappy plenty of times. It's just in this case, I thought imanshumpert was taking a loose connection and running way too far with it… so I said so.
Last edited by Fully; Fri Jul 25th, 2014 at 12:41 PM.
Anybody have statistical comparison of JV and Wilt or Kareem? Not in their prime but when they couldn't do shit.
Can you guys FUCK OFF? I admitted that I made a mistake with that comparison, stop being jackasses about it.
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However, hard to prove that he will or will not be more efficient less usage like you said.
But, Even if he improves his efficiency above his current level...will he be as efficient compared to many of the second fiddle type guys? He would still essentially be behind the 8 ball compared to the league
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