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    James Harden is retarded, best all around player in the NBA?... Have you heard of LeBron James?!!!
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    Quote MixxAOR wrote: View Post
    Full Top 10

    1. James Harden
    2. D-Wade
    3. Monta Ellis
    4. Jimmy Butler
    5. Dion Waiters
    6. Tyreke Evans
    7. Oladipo
    8. Klay Thompson
    9. Manu Ginobili
    10. Lance Stephenson

    Next 5: Kobe, Beal, Danny Green Wesley Matthews, JR Smith.
    Wow. I disagree with that entire list.
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    Quote MixxAOR wrote: View Post
    Full Top 10

    1. James Harden
    2. D-Wade
    3. Monta Ellis
    4. Jimmy Butler
    5. Dion Waiters
    6. Tyreke Evans
    7. Oladipo
    8. Klay Thompson
    9. Manu Ginobili
    10. Lance Stephenson

    Next 5: Kobe, Beal, Danny Green Wesley Matthews, JR Smith.
    lol, this is wrong on so many accounts, that I can't be bothered to check what idiotic criteria they're going by.

    this is wrong on so many accounts, that I feel this weird sense of comfort that DeMar isn't even in their top 15, lol

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    They must classify DD as a small forward for him not to make their list. There's really no other explanation other than that.

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    Where was Lowry on their point guard list?

    It's sort of crazy that DeMar wouldn't be in the top half of the league in terms of shooting guards, especially with how shallow the shooting guard field is right now.

    But yeah, this list is insane. Victor Oladipo at 7? Dion Waiters in the top 5? I wouldn't take any comfort in being similar minded to this list, OSK.

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    Show this list to DeMar.. and we'll see 25-5-5 guy next year.

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    I'm not a demar fan or detractor at this point but to notake top 15 seems a bit sketchy.

    Well he'll have lots of opportunity once again this year.

    As long as he keeps improving I hope the media continues to give him the shaft! Fuel for the fire!

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    Quote MixxAOR wrote: View Post
    Full Top 10

    1. James Harden
    2. D-Wade
    3. Monta Ellis
    4. Jimmy Butler
    5. Dion Waiters
    6. Tyreke Evans
    7. Oladipo
    8. Klay Thompson
    9. Manu Ginobili
    10. Lance Stephenson

    Next 5: Kobe, Beal, Danny Green Wesley Matthews, JR Smith.
    There's not one player on that list that I'd take over DeMar

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    Derozan plays at a higher level than Waiters, no argument there, but Waiters is a good NBA combo guard, not the 5th best shooting guard. His PER and shooting averages are decent, not outstanding. He doesn't suck.

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    DD is a SF in their acct.

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    Quote stretch wrote: View Post
    Derozan plays at a higher level than Waiters, no argument there, but Waiters is a good NBA combo guard, not the 5th best shooting guard. His PER and shooting averages are decent, not outstanding. He doesn't suck.
    His PER is below average, his shooting percentages were below average (about 300th out of 450), the rest of his game is sorely lacking (WS/48 = .037). He sucks pretty badly.

    I can't believe DD is not in their top 15. I don't really even think DD is all that great compared to most, and I think it is ridiculous he's not on the list.

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    Quote ball4life wrote: View Post
    DD is a SF in their acct.
    Is he? I thought they made a statement saying he needed one more good year to make the list, suggesting he was a candidate.

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    Quote MixxAOR wrote: View Post
    Full Top 10

    1. James Harden
    2. D-Wade
    3. Monta Ellis
    4. Jimmy Butler
    5. Dion Waiters
    6. Tyreke Evans
    7. Oladipo
    8. Klay Thompson
    9. Manu Ginobili
    10. Lance Stephenson

    Next 5: Kobe, Beal, Danny Green Wesley Matthews, JR Smith.
    Kobe, JR and Green all ahead of DD?

    DD not in the top 15?

    Bullshit.
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    Quote DanH wrote: View Post
    His PER is below average, his shooting percentages were below average (about 300th out of 450), the rest of his game is sorely lacking (WS/48 = .037). He sucks pretty badly.

    I can't believe DD is not in their top 15. I don't really even think DD is all that great compared to most, and I think it is ridiculous he's not on the list.
    Waiters PER is above average for SG, 27th out of 65 according to Hollinger Stats.

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/holli.../_/position/sg

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    Quote Mr.Z wrote: View Post
    James Harden is retarded, best all around player in the NBA?... Have you heard of LeBron James?!!!
    Doesnt "all around player" include defence? Is he daft?
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    Quote OldSkoolCool wrote: View Post
    Wait a minute...someone else has Waiters better than DD other than me??

    @imanshumpart can you please confirm this??
    Congratulations buddy! You've got the same opinion as an idiot 'expert'

    But seriously THOUGH, there is absolutely no way, stats wise or eye test wise that waiter should be considered the fifth best sg and dd not even make the cut. Just WOW
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    Quote stretch wrote: View Post
    Waiters PER is above average for SG, 27th out of 65 according to Hollinger Stats.

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/holli.../_/position/sg
    OK. A PER of 15 is average league wide, and he is below that, and he is baaaarely above average for his position. That makes him top 5 worthy? Also, I don't think it is fair to weigh players who played 8 minutes a game with those who played a lot in an average of the position's PER. Minutes-weighted average of SG PER is 14.1 - exactly Waiters' PER, so he's not even above average.

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    Quote DanH wrote: View Post
    OK. A PER of 15 is average league wide, and he is below that, and he is baaaarely above average for his position. That makes him top 5 worthy? Also, I don't think it is fair to weigh players who played 8 minutes a game with those who played a lot in an average of the position's PER. Minutes-weighted average of SG PER is 14.1 - exactly Waiters' PER, so he's not even above average.
    Yes, you have the ability to back up your arguments very well with statistical reference but then you also resort to knee jerk blanket references such "he sucks." It's unfortunate imo.

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    Oladipo at 7 is way worse than Waiters at 5, like come on. He was an average rookie on a terrible, terrible team.

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    Quote stretch wrote: View Post
    Yes, you have the ability to back up your arguments very well with statistical reference but then you also resort to knee jerk blanket references such "he sucks." It's unfortunate imo.
    But Waiters does suck. He isn't even starter worthy let alone top 5.

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