Everything Derozan

[golden]

Didn't Masai hand pick Casey's staff after firing all of Casey's guys?

I would expect the coaching staff has to continue to be a mix of Masai's picks vs. Casey's picks. Otherwise, Casey would have an excuse that Masai is setting him up for failure. This seems to be the message from Masai to Casey: "you are a defensive coach, and I got you the type of players you want and some high level defensive minds - no excuses."

I would bet that Greer is Masai's pick, especially since one of the few times Masai has said anything publicly critical about anybody was after the playoff debacle where he talked about Casey being a "defensive coach" and how the Raps needed to get back to being a high level defensive team.

[Chr1s1anL]

At the end of the day its Masai called. He obviously knows what kind of player Stackhouse was. He still choose to sign him. Obviously Masai doesn't hate the midrange game as much as everybody here.

[Axel]

Didn't Masai hand pick Casey's staff after firing all of Casey's guys?

Honestly don't know but I would suspect that is not the case.

At the end of the day its Masai call. He obviously knows what kind of player Stackhouse was. He still choose to sign him. Obviously Masai doesn't hate the midrange game as much as everybody here.

Time will tell. After this season, if Casey and Demar are here, then Masai has made that call. Until then, he seems to be biding his time with the hand that was dealt and making moves around them.

[planetmars]

Its all speculation, but Masai's fingerprints are all over the Stack hire. He may have done it to please Casey but he still hired him. It had to go through him.

There were questions that the Raptors were interested in Scott Brooks.. so when it comes to coaching hires, I still don't trust Masai to make the right decision.

I'm waiting to see what happens in 2016 but I'm not feeling optimistic.

[Just Is]

Fine tuning his game. Its pretty much like Warriors hiring Steve Nash to work with Steph. There is always room to get better.

The way Demar gets better ... is by not playing like that. There's so much evidence supporting it being the wrong way to play that it can't be willfull ignorance to ignore it. It's gotta be active ignorance. You don't have this much evidence against it (including the fact that Demar's bread and butter is his offence yet the team's offense was better when he sat) and decide to double down on it.

[golden]

At the end of the day its Masai called. He obviously knows what kind of player Stackhouse was. He still choose to sign him. Obviously Masai doesn't hate the midrange game as much as everybody here.

Nothing wrong with Stackhouse's experience and toughness, but I don't think we can jump to the conclusion that he was brought for the main purpose of having DD mimic his PIS game. And again, nothing even wrong with mid-range shots either, if those shots are coming in rhythm through ball-movement / man-movement. Even Casey has been saying that the Raps are trying to get back to that style of play. That's the opposite of Stackhouse / DD.

So, I don't think you can conclude that hiring Stackhouse, means that Masai brought him here to teach DD his 90's ISO game and double-down on last year's style of play.

[golden]

a.........Golden Shower.....

LOL. I think we need to make the YELLOW FONT the gold standard in game threads, when a Raptor launches one of those PIS shots.

Last season would have been a sea of gold. End of every quarter, be like: WTF, was THAT, Lou?

[Axel]

I'm guessing they signed Stackhouse to coach DD. Since their games are so similar.

Creepy. DD's All-Star and Stack's first All-Star (he made two). Nearly identical

                                                                                       

Player             Age   MP  FG  FGA  FG%  3P%  2PA  2P% eFG% FTA  FT% TRB AST STL  PTS

DeMar DeRozan       24 38.2 7.6 17.8 .429 .305 15.2 .451 .452 8.0 .824 4.3 4.0 1.1 22.7

Jerry Stackhouse    25 38.4 7.5 17.6 .428 .288 14.1 .462 .456 9.2 .815 3.8 4.5 1.3 23.6

[Chr1s1anL]

The way Demar gets better ... is by not playing like that. There's so much evidence supporting it being the wrong way to play that it can't be willfull ignorance to ignore it. It's gotta be active ignorance. You don't have this much evidence against it (including the fact that Demar's bread and butter is his offence yet the team's offense was better when he sat) and decide to double down on it.

All that evidence but, your GM goes and hires the 90's version of that player. Why would you change your game when your coach staff and front office support it?

[mcHAPPY]

Its all speculation, but Masai's fingerprints are all over the Stack hire. He may have done it to please Casey but he still hired him. It had to go through him.

There were questions that the Raptors were interested in Scott Brooks.. so when it comes to coaching hires, I still don't trust Masai to make the right decision.

I'm waiting to see what happens in 2016 but I'm not feeling optimistic.

I thought Stackhouse was about having a guy on staff who could relate to players better? A former player, not too far removed?

[golden]

Creepy. DD's All-Star and Stack's first All-Star (he made two). Nearly identical

                                                                                       

Player             Age   MP  FG  FGA  FG%  3P%  2PA  2P% eFG% FTA  FT% TRB AST STL  PTS

DeMar DeRozan       24 38.2 7.6 17.8 .429 .305 15.2 .451 .452 8.0 .824 4.3 4.0 1.1 22.7

Jerry Stackhouse    25 38.4 7.5 17.6 .428 .288 14.1 .462 .456 9.2 .815 3.8 4.5 1.3 23.6

Wow. That's about as close across-the-board as you'll ever see 2 player's basic stats comped.

[Chr1s1anL]

Nothing wrong with Stackhouse's experience and toughness, but I don't think we can jump to the conclusion that he was brought for the main purpose of having DD mimic his PIS game. And again, nothing even wrong with mid-range shots either, if those shots are coming in rhythm through ball-movement / man-movement. Even Casey has been saying that the Raps are trying to get back to that style of play. That's the opposite of Stackhouse / DD.

So, I don't think you can conclude that hiring Stackhouse, means that Masai brought him here to teach DD his 90's ISO game and double-down on last year's style of play.

Raptors are still going to run Iso. Their going to have better ball movement but, KLow/DD are still going to get their iso. Just wont be as much. I said this before this offense is going to be a mixture of the last two years.

[golden]

I thought Stackhouse was about having a guy on staff who could relate to players better? A former player, not too far removed?

I think there are a lot of great reasons to hire Stackhouse, but specifically teaching DD to mimic his 90's ISO game (while simultaneously telling the rest of the team to encourage ball-movement & man-movement) is not one of them.

Exception being: if you're trying to inflate DD's trade value to a team that doesn't value advanced stats, like the Pelicans, Knicks or Lakers.

[Just Is]

All that evidence but, your GM goes and hires the 90's version of that player. Why would you change your game when your coach staff and front office support it?

Because it's bad.

That's not a subjective bad either. By every available measurable metric (AND the eye test); it's bad.

Creepy. DD's All-Star and Stack's first All-Star (he made two). Nearly identical

                                                                                       

Player             Age   MP  FG  FGA  FG%  3P%  2PA  2P% eFG% FTA  FT% TRB AST STL  PTS

DeMar DeRozan       24 38.2 7.6 17.8 .429 .305 15.2 .451 .452 8.0 .824 4.3 4.0 1.1 22.7

Jerry Stackhouse    25 38.4 7.5 17.6 .428 .288 14.1 .462 .456 9.2 .815 3.8 4.5 1.3 23.6

That's insane.

[Bandit]

I think there are a lot of great reasons to hire Stackhouse, but specifically teaching DD to mimic his 90's ISO game (while simultaneously telling the rest of the team to encourage ball-movement & man-movement) is not one of them.

Exception being: if you're trying to inflate DD's trade value to a team that doesn't value advanced stats, like the Pelicans, Knicks or Lakers.

I'm wondering if Stackhouse's hindsight is what they brought him in for. At least thats what I'm telling myself

"Demar, seriously our games were damn near identical. I wish I had done x, so that I was a better player"