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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    Can we lock this thread, please? It's obviously a reactionary thread and causing no good.
    That's not nice. This is a valid thread. I am saying that Demar is not living up to the expecations of a 2nd year starter, #9 draft pick.

    Compare him to other 2's in the league who are in their 2/3/4 year.

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    A few things with this.

    1. While Demar started last season he did not play starter minutes (only 21.6 min/game). He was also the fifth option on offense all year and has only really started to show his offence this season.
    2. He had a bad game, reportedly due to a headcold. Even if he was fine though, you can't expect a guy to become a number one option over night. There were games last season where Bosh was out and Bargs had trouble scoring and people said it meant he couldn't be a number 1. As we have seen this season, Bargs did a fairly good job adjusting to the role once he got used to it and I expect Demar would be ok if you gave him a training camp and a string of games to get some practice.
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    Quote hateslosing wrote: View Post
    A few things with this.

    1. While Demar started last season he did not play starter minutes (only 21.6 min/game). He was also the fifth option on offense all year and has only really started to show his offence this season.
    2. He had a bad game, reportedly due to a headcold. Even if he was fine though, you can't expect a guy to become a number one option over night. There were games last season where Bosh was out and Bargs had trouble scoring and people said it meant he couldn't be a number 1. As we have seen this season, Bargs did a fairly good job adjusting to the role once he got used to it and I expect Demar would be ok if you gave him a training camp and a string of games to get some practice.
    Those are some pretty good points. Nonetheless, for the amount of play time and free-reign he gets to take shots, you would think there would be a large improvement. I'm sure he will get better, but whether or not he survives the vicious TDot media assault if King Bargs leaves remains to be seen.

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    Quote hateslosing wrote: View Post
    A few things with this.

    1. While Demar started last season he did not play starter minutes (only 21.6 min/game). He was also the fifth option on offense all year and has only really started to show his offence this season.
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    Thank god! finally a rebuttal with logic, reason and statistics...it is people like you sir that make me believe there is still hope on these forums. It surprises me that no one picked up on how easily refutable the "starters" minutes vs starting argument.

    Shame on the rest of you

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    Quote SitnonDfence wrote: View Post
    Thank god! finally a rebuttal with logic, reason and statistics...it is people like you sir that make me believe there is still hope on these forums. It surprises me that no one picked up on how easily refutable the "starters" minutes vs starting argument.

    Shame on the rest of you
    Oh, so the "reported head cold" doesn't meet your statistical approval?

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    Quote Multipaul wrote: View Post
    That's not nice. This is a valid thread. I am saying that Demar is not living up to the expecations of a 2nd year starter, #9 draft pick.

    Compare him to other 2's in the league who are in their 2/3/4 year.
    He is the second highest scoring sophmore in terms of ppg.
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    Quote hateslosing wrote: View Post
    He is the second highest scoring sophmore in terms of ppg.
    We are talking total basketball accumen, you will need to incorporate other pertinent statistical figures

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    DeMar is exceeding expectations.

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    1. He is easily one of the top 5 sophmores this season as opposed to the top nine. In my opinion those top 5 are: Steph Curry, Tyreke Evans, Brandon Jennings, DeMar DeRozan & Jrue Holiday in no particular order (though Marcus Thornton is playing out of his mind as of late and one could argue Wesley Matthews being in there as well).
    2. He's second in scoring among sophmores.
    3. Comparing him to the top shooting guards of his draft year, James Harden and Wesley Matthews, DeMar holds his own to say the least. His PPG is higher than both of them, as well as his FG%.
    4. Last year DeMar wasn't even close to being one of the top ten preforming rookies and there wasn't any worry because we drafted him based on potential. He has obviously improved tremendously and one can only assume he will continue.
    5. Bargnani is a laughing stock of the league.

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    Quote Junior wrote: View Post
    1. He is easily one of the top 5 sophmores this season as opposed to the top nine. In my opinion those top 5 are: Steph Curry, Tyreke Evans, Brandon Jennings, DeMar DeRozan & Jrue Holiday in no particular order (though Marcus Thornton is playing out of his mind as of late and one could argue Wesley Matthews being in there as well).
    2. He's second in scoring among sophmores.
    3. Comparing him to the top shooting guards of his draft year, James Harden and Wesley Matthews, DeMar holds his own to say the least. His PPG is higher than both of them, as well as his FG%.
    4. Last year DeMar wasn't even close to being one of the top ten preforming rookies and there wasn't any worry because we drafted him based on potential. He has obviously improved tremendously and one can only assume he will continue.
    5. Bargnani is a laughing stock of the league.
    As mentioned to the previous poster, all you are listing are offensive stats. If all you want is offense, then you should be saying Bargs is the man.

    If you can back up this opinion with PER, defensive stats, REB, AST, etc etc, go for it. I'm telling you that you won't be able to.

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    Quote Junior wrote: View Post
    1. He is easily one of the top 5 sophmores this season as opposed to the top nine. In my opinion those top 5 are: Steph Curry, Tyreke Evans, Brandon Jennings, DeMar DeRozan & Jrue Holiday in no particular order (though Marcus Thornton is playing out of his mind as of late and one could argue Wesley Matthews being in there as well).
    2. He's second in scoring among sophmores.
    3. Comparing him to the top shooting guards of his draft year, James Harden and Wesley Matthews, DeMar holds his own to say the least. His PPG is higher than both of them, as well as his FG%.
    4. Last year DeMar wasn't even close to being one of the top ten preforming rookies and there wasn't any worry because we drafted him based on potential. He has obviously improved tremendously and one can only assume he will continue.
    5. Bargnani is a laughing stock of the league.
    You call Bargs a laughing stock, here are his #'s since Jan 1:
    January 1 (40 games) are: 19ppg, 6.5rpg 2bpg

    Laughing stock to you means gem to every other GM in the league, face it

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    I'm sorry, but this is a "my favourite player is being beaten up by everyone, so I'm going to try and turn the tables by criticizing a well liked player" thread. DeRozan had one bad game, but is one of the better performing sophomore SGs in the league.

    In fact, he's 3rd among all sophomores in scoring and 10th in PER among sophomores who play at least 25 mpg. And he's much more productive than Bargnani was in his second year (14 PER to Bargnani's 10.6 PER, which doesn't take into account minutes played).

    Unfortunately, I've seen a lot of this happening among Bargnani fans, who, I'm guessing, are sick of Bargnani being picked on, so start picking on guys like DeMar and Amir. The criticizing of Amir is particularly ridiculous because he's been the Raptors most consistent and productive player throughout the season, the one who has played the most well rounded game, and about the only guy who is not on his rookie contract that is actually earning his money.

    If these people who criticize DeRozan don't also criticize Bargnani, then it's hypocritical at best, and trolling at worst. Neither one has played good defense and, outside of scoring, neither has contributed much. At least there is still hope DeRozan's defense will improve, because he's only in his second year. Bargnani, at this point, is basically a lost cause on that end of the floor.
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    Quote Multipaul wrote: View Post
    You call Bargs a laughing stock, here are his #'s since Jan 1:
    January 1 (40 games) are: 19ppg, 6.5rpg 2bpg

    Laughing stock to you means gem to every other GM in the league, face it
    GEM? don't make me laugh no GM wants a one dimentional scorer who can't defend for his life.

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    Quote Raptors_ wrote: View Post
    GEM? don't make me laugh no GM wants a one dimentional scorer who can't defend for his life.
    2bpg

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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    I'm sorry, but this is a "my favourite player is being beaten up by everyone, so I'm going to try and turn the tables by criticizing a well liked player" thread. DeRozan had one bad game, but is one of the better performing sophomore SGs in the league.

    In fact, he's 3rd among all sophomores in scoring and 10th in PER among sophomores who play at least 25 mpg. And he's much more productive than Bargnani was in his second year (14 PER to Bargnani's 10.6 PER, which doesn't take into account minutes played).

    Unfortunately, I've seen a lot of this happening among Bargnani fans, who, I'm guessing, are sick of Bargnani being picked on, so start picking on guys like DeMar and Amir. The criticizing of Amir is particularly ridiculous because he's been the Raptors most consistent and productive player throughout the season, the one who has played the most well rounded game, and about the only guy who is not on his rookie contract that is actually earning his money.

    If these people who criticize DeRozan don't also criticize Bargnani, then it's hypocritical at best, and trolling at worst. Neither one has played good defense and, outside of scoring, neither has contributed much. At least there is still hope DeRozan's defense will improve, because he's only in his second year. Bargnani, at this point, is basically a lost cause on that end of the floor.
    +1 i agree 200%.Every SG learns to play decent defence eventually, and demar will to. As for bargnani trade him and bring in a defensive shot blocking C.

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    Quote Multipaul wrote: View Post
    2bpg

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    thats only since january

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    Quote Raptors_ wrote: View Post
    thats only since january
    How many bpg does Demar have?

    BOOM

    Gotcha turtle speck

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    Default Toronto open to move Bargs

    http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.c...drea-bargnani/

    Finally we get to move this guy and bring in some shot blocking monsters. Have any suggestions on our starting C next season?

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    Let me help you:

    Demar, career: 0.3 bpg (0.4 for this season)
    Turnovers per game: 1.2 career, 1.7 this season
    RPG: 3.3 career, 3.7 this year
    Personal Fouls: 2.5 career, 2.7 this year
    Points per Game: 12.4 career, 16.5 this season

    Not a very big improvement at all

    The word is : disappointing

    Don't drink the Demar kool aid yo!

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    Quote Raptors_ wrote: View Post
    http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.c...drea-bargnani/

    Finally we get to move this guy and bring in some shot blocking monsters. Have any suggestions on our starting C next season?
    Hahahah, you know I'm right, check my stats below son, ahahha!

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