Everything Derozan

[Fully]

When advanced stats go wrong.

[JWash]

When advanced stats go wrong.

I don't think the stats themselves really "go wrong" I just think people use them incorrectly. Like the way golden is using win shares, actually is heavily biased towards players that put up decent WS on bad teams. According to his stat, the highest paid player in the NBA last year should've been a tie between James Harden (makes sense) and... Ed Davis at 18M.... bring him home?

[JWash]

For the record that formula tells you that Ed Davis is worth more than 1996 Jordan (you know the one that led his team to 72 wins?)

[ball4life]

For the record that formula tells you that Ed Davis is worth more than 1996 Jordan (you know the one that led his team to 72 wins?)

Sometimes you are annoyingly correct.

But still, we should trade Demar and not pay 20 million.

[special1]

Everything Demar Derozan

Sometimes you are annoyingly correct.

But still, we should trade Demar and not pay 20 million.

Who's we? lol.

We're not trading Demar.

It's time to accept it.


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[Axel]

Who's we? lol.

We're not trading Demar.

It's time to accept it.


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Dealing in absolutes doesn't really facilitate discussion, especially when you keep repeating yourself.

[Fully]

Dealing in absolutes doesn't really facilitate discussion, especially when you keep repeating yourself.

Yes it will be a sad day for the DeRozan thread when people just start repeating themselves over and over again. A very sad day.

[Axel]

Yes it will be a sad day for the DeRozan thread when people just start repeating themselves over and over again. A very sad day.

Yet here you are reading it.

[JWash]

Yes it will be a sad day for the DeRozan thread when people just start repeating themselves over and over again. A very sad day.

Lol I like this guy

[Fully]

Yet here you are reading it.

I like to periodically check in, make sure people are still coming up with creative ways to discredit DeRozan. And let me just say that the "he's been overpaid based on win shares" angle did not disappoint.

But seriously, we are 10,000 posts in on basically the same argument, mainly from the same people. The time to worry about any type of repetitive pattern in this thread was literally years ago.

[Axel]

I like to periodically check in, make sure people are still coming up with creative ways to discredit DeRozan. And let me just say that the "he's been overpaid based on win shares" angle did not disappoint.

But seriously, we are 10,000 posts in on basically the same argument, mainly from the same people. The time to worry about any type of repetitive pattern in this thread was literally years ago.

Oh don't worry, this thread will never disappoint you with crazy talk.

Some new people, but yes, same conversation for years now.

[golden]

I don't think the stats themselves really "go wrong" I just think people use them incorrectly. Like the way golden is using win shares, actually is heavily biased towards players that put up decent WS on bad teams. According to his stat, the highest paid player in the NBA last year should've been a tie between James Harden (makes sense) and... Ed Davis at 18M.... bring him home?

LOL. Yep, you owned me on that one J-dub. But still, the point is that DD has benefited from being surrounded by talented depth the last few years. Pretty sure there are salary vs. performance analytics out there (perhaps a bit better than my hack attempt, lol) that would prove/disprove how much DD is actually worth.

[Chr1s1anL]

I'm guessing no one on RR wants Thibs as a coach anymore. Lol

[mcHAPPY]

I'm guessing no one on RR wants Thibs as a coach anymore. Lol

He is saying what every player and coach say about one another.

Nobody says anything bad because you don't know when that might come back to haunt you. Larry Nance, Jr. drafted by the Lakers this year is a great example.


More importantly, it doesn't appear Masai wants Thibs as coach. I think it was Doug Smith who has said numerous times that Masai looked in to him this spring but didn't like what he heard and found out.


Kevin Ollie is going to be Raps head coach next year. And KD is coming too.

[mcHAPPY]

LOL. Yep, you owned me on that one J-dub. But still, the point is that DD has benefited from being surrounded by talented depth the last few years. Pretty sure there are salary vs. performance analytics out there (perhaps a bit better than my hack attempt, lol) that would prove/disprove how much DD is actually worth.

This has been done before. You were close though on how to go about it...here is a better way to go about it.

2.15Billion in salary paid to players in 2015
30 teams x 82 games = 2460/2 = 1230 wins
2150/1230 = $1.75million per win


DeRozan had a WS of 4.0 in 2014-15. $7M is his salary in advanced stat dollars.



Based on what DD gives you, he isn't underpaid.