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For shit sake, the team is 8-2, first in the East since forever, DeMar just had an excellent game, and the top topic this fine Sunday is shitting on DeMar. What's wrong with this picture? If that isn't enough, I see this endless crap has produced a handful of bans. Sickening that a fan site of this team has this going on.
I see there's a lot of discussion about downgrading DeMar to below Gordon Hayward, and as should be expected, "proven" by stats over the 1st 10 games of the season: (where DeMar's team is 8-2. Oh, did I mention that already? sorry).
IMO, comparing players who are playing within extremely different circumstances (covers a lot of context), based on these kind of numbers alone, is neophyte-to-the-game-ish. Numbers can help evaluate, but context is always important, so try not to dismiss every bit of context that others introduce to discuss the comparison you're making. Shouldn't have to say it, but there are many factors that influence raw numbers, but you guys know that, right?
The ironic thing is, this discussion is taking place immediately after a game between the particulars' teams, where DeMar's team won their 8th game, Hayward's team lost their 7th, and head-to-head, DeMar kicked Hayward's ass. You know what? The same thing happened the last time these guys went head-to-head, back in February. hmmm, head-to head. That brings up a thought.
A more significant fact, is that in between these games, they truly were working on equal footing this past summer with Team USA. When we speak of the coaches of that team, we're talking about of some of the best basketball minds in the world, not just stat analyzers. They worked with these guys for weeks, along with a bunch of other elite young players. These guys chose DeMar over Beal, Parsons, and *cough* Hayward.
Which do you think is a bigger indicator of how these two players compare? The opinion of Thibs, Coach K, and gang, when these two players went head-to-head, on totally equal footing, for weeks, or stats to date over 10 games, played under entirely different circumstances? Sorry, but just trying to put your stat comparisons, and conclusions, in perspective. The perspective of some of the top basketball minds in the world sort of humbles these stat "assessments", or shall we dismiss the assessment of Coack K and Thibs?
special1 may have pushed the limits, but he had a point about incessant riding of DeMar, and it seeming like a sore loser carryover from last year's "is what he is" camp failure. Not everybody is on here spouting the same stuff 20 times day, every day, for weeks, then has the gall to question other's intelligence, like one poster, but it's getting a bit much. Opinions are fine, until they form an ever present chant ringing in everybody's face. Some of us would like to enjoy the season, while enjoying the participation in adult discussion here. Is that a fair expectation? It's no fun when the same shit is ringing, endlessly, day after day. How can this be fun for you guys? You don't like him? Fine, you made your point, and EVERYBODY has heard, over and over. Is it too much to ask that it not be infesting almost every discussion, day after day?
This barely 25 year young man is continuing to develop before our eyes (anybody still complaining about his handles, btw?), is dedicated to this organization, and as one of the leaders, is infesting the team with extreme work ethic, the team is winning at a pace never seen before, and some can't stop complaining about DeMar and coach Casey. Don't know when this cancer started, but it's ugly.
I see there's a lot of discussion about downgrading DeMar to below Gordon Hayward, and as should be expected, "proven" by stats over the 1st 10 games of the season: (where DeMar's team is 8-2. Oh, did I mention that already? sorry).
IMO, comparing players who are playing within extremely different circumstances (covers a lot of context), based on these kind of numbers alone, is neophyte-to-the-game-ish. Numbers can help evaluate, but context is always important, so try not to dismiss every bit of context that others introduce to discuss the comparison you're making. Shouldn't have to say it, but there are many factors that influence raw numbers, but you guys know that, right?
The ironic thing is, this discussion is taking place immediately after a game between the particulars' teams, where DeMar's team won their 8th game, Hayward's team lost their 7th, and head-to-head, DeMar kicked Hayward's ass. You know what? The same thing happened the last time these guys went head-to-head, back in February. hmmm, head-to head. That brings up a thought.
A more significant fact, is that in between these games, they truly were working on equal footing this past summer with Team USA. When we speak of the coaches of that team, we're talking about of some of the best basketball minds in the world, not just stat analyzers. They worked with these guys for weeks, along with a bunch of other elite young players. These guys chose DeMar over Beal, Parsons, and *cough* Hayward.
Which do you think is a bigger indicator of how these two players compare? The opinion of Thibs, Coach K, and gang, when these two players went head-to-head, on totally equal footing, for weeks, or stats to date over 10 games, played under entirely different circumstances? Sorry, but just trying to put your stat comparisons, and conclusions, in perspective. The perspective of some of the top basketball minds in the world sort of humbles these stat "assessments", or shall we dismiss the assessment of Coack K and Thibs?
special1 may have pushed the limits, but he had a point about incessant riding of DeMar, and it seeming like a sore loser carryover from last year's "is what he is" camp failure. Not everybody is on here spouting the same stuff 20 times day, every day, for weeks, then has the gall to question other's intelligence, like one poster, but it's getting a bit much. Opinions are fine, until they form an ever present chant ringing in everybody's face. Some of us would like to enjoy the season, while enjoying the participation in adult discussion here. Is that a fair expectation? It's no fun when the same shit is ringing, endlessly, day after day. How can this be fun for you guys? You don't like him? Fine, you made your point, and EVERYBODY has heard, over and over. Is it too much to ask that it not be infesting almost every discussion, day after day?
This barely 25 year young man is continuing to develop before our eyes (anybody still complaining about his handles, btw?), is dedicated to this organization, and as one of the leaders, is infesting the team with extreme work ethic, the team is winning at a pace never seen before, and some can't stop complaining about DeMar and coach Casey. Don't know when this cancer started, but it's ugly.
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