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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    It is still bullsh!t. I don't care who does it. It is a classic example of the individual putting themselves before the team.
    Who cares dude?

    It has like 0 impact on outcome of the game. That shot will go in like 1 time out of 100 (I don't have the actual stats on it). If your team loses 99-97 you could say, "Damn if DeMar took that 1/2 court heave and made it we would've won." And you'd be wrong, because you don't know how the rest of the game would've played out had he made that shot.

    At the end of the day it's a business. Hoisting up 15+ of those shots a year, even for a player that takes 250 threes could drop his 3P% from 40% to 38% or less. A few percentage points can be the difference between you being considered an elite shooter and a very good one. Could also mean millions in salary lost or gained on the next contract. It's not worth it just to give your team a pico-sized better chance of winning games.

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    DeMar DeRozan is amazing.

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    Quote Xixak wrote: View Post
    Who cares dude?

    It has like 0 impact on outcome of the game. That shot will go in like 1 time out of 100 (I don't have the actual stats on it). If your team loses 99-97 you could say, "Damn if DeMar took that 1/2 court heave and made it we would've won." And you'd be wrong, because you don't know how the rest of the game would've played out had he made that shot.

    At the end of the day it's a business. Hoisting up 15+ of those shots a year, even for a player that takes 250 threes could drop his 3P% from 40% to 38% or less. A few percentage points can be the difference between you being considered an elite shooter and a very good one. Could also mean millions in salary lost or gained on the next contract. It's not worth it just to give your team a pico-sized better chance of winning games.
    so what you're saying is "yes, it is selfish". if a player thinks that way then im thinking what else is he doing or not doing throughout the course of the game that is strictly a benefit for him and a hindrance to the team? I got no respect for that, its about doing whatever you can to win a game, if that means shooting 5/10 instead of 5/9 so be it. There are good scouts in this league and generally they know if you can or cant shoot the 3 well

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    Quote Xixak wrote: View Post
    Who cares dude?

    It has like 0 impact on outcome of the game. That shot will go in like 1 time out of 100 (I don't have the actual stats on it). If your team loses 99-97 you could say, "Damn if DeMar took that 1/2 court heave and made it we would've won." And you'd be wrong, because you don't know how the rest of the game would've played out had he made that shot.

    At the end of the day it's a business. Hoisting up 15+ of those shots a year, even for a player that takes 250 threes could drop his 3P% from 40% to 38% or less. A few percentage points can be the difference between you being considered an elite shooter and a very good one. Could also mean millions in salary lost or gained on the next contract. It's not worth it just to give your team a pico-sized better chance of winning games.
    In 2007-2008, Rudy Gay took 18 threes 30 plus feet from the basket, 12 of those were from beyond 40 feet. The next year, he only shot 3, the whole year. Who do you think told him to stop hoisting up so many? No, not his mom, I'm sure it was his agent. For us it's our passion/obsession. For them it's a business first. We might not like it, but I don't walk in their shoes.

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    I'm trying to think of a similar example in any other sport, where the individual's stat is given more weight than the team's (potential) benefit. I can't come up with one.

    A quarterback taking a sack rather than throwing it out of bounds? Does that even happen?
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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    I'm trying to think of a similar example in any other sport, where the individual's stat is given more weight than the team's (potential) benefit. I can't come up with one.

    A quarterback taking a sack rather than throwing it out of bounds? Does that even happen?
    Nobody would do that. Loss of Yards would be worse than just losing a down.

    However, intentional grounding, is also a penalty. It really depends.

    If you get sacked for like 5-Yards, which is rare, then sure, take the sack. Intentional Grounding is 10 Yard loss.

    Hockey? Individual Goalie Stat >> team benefit? Hahaha. Higher their save percentage, the better the team? I dunno.

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    Quote Xixak wrote: View Post
    Who cares dude?

    It has like 0 impact on outcome of the game. That shot will go in like 1 time out of 100 (I don't have the actual stats on it). If your team loses 99-97 you could say, "Damn if DeMar took that 1/2 court heave and made it we would've won." And you'd be wrong, because you don't know how the rest of the game would've played out had he made that shot.

    At the end of the day it's a business. Hoisting up 15+ of those shots a year, even for a player that takes 250 threes could drop his 3P% from 40% to 38% or less. A few percentage points can be the difference between you being considered an elite shooter and a very good one. Could also mean millions in salary lost or gained on the next contract. It's not worth it just to give your team a pico-sized better chance of winning games.
    If it goes in it can have a big impact on the game. Points are points and you take them where you can get them.

    I think this is yet another example of the generational gap in thinking combined with the realities of statistics impacting a players next contract. I'm always team first and clearly those who would even question this are not team first... Which is cool, to each his/her own

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    If it goes in it can have a big impact on the game. Points are points and you take them where you can get them.

    I think this is yet another example of the generational gap in thinking combined with the realities of statistics impacting a players next contract. I'm always team first and clearly those who would even question this are not team first... Which is cool, to each his/her own
    Doesn't have anything to do with not being team first. Taking that shot doesn't even help your team.

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    Quote Rapstor4Life wrote: View Post
    DeMar DeRozan is amazing.
    he certainly can be, when he wants to be..

    btw..

    DeRozan believes the extra elements cheapen the contest.

    "I think a lot of people probably look at it like that. It seems that way when you watch it," he said. "This year I put thought into it. I practiced, had dunks ready and everything. It is what it is. I did it two years in a row. I'm good."

    Asked if he would reconsider, DeRozan said he would only compete again if the All-Star Game is held in Toronto or if the rules are changed to eliminate props.
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    Quote Xixak wrote: View Post
    Doesn't have anything to do with not being team first. Taking that shot doesn't even help your team.
    Just wrong. Not only do the points count if it goes in, but there is a huge momentum gain. Think if you are at home, and you hit the 40 footer at the close of the first quarter. There is only a quick break before the 2nd quarter starts and the fans will be going nuts that entire break. You don't think fan cheering impacts player performance? There have been studies that prove that playing at home in front of a loud crowd has a positive impact on player performance. Don't like studies? Then go play in front of a crowd cheering madly (you only need a small number in a small gym). It jacks you up, and that extra energy helps a lot in areas like rebounding.

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    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=6147372

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    ... No bro. Wiggins will take the tittle.

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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    I'm trying to think of a similar example in any other sport, where the individual's stat is given more weight than the team's (potential) benefit. I can't come up with one.

    A quarterback taking a sack rather than throwing it out of bounds? Does that even happen?
    I don't understand why the NBA doesn't just stop counting Hail-Marys as 3PTA. They shouldn't count as 3PTA. Plus, it would give us a new category for fantasy ball!

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    Quote JimiCliff wrote: View Post
    I don't understand why the NBA doesn't just stop counting Hail-Marys as 3PTA. They shouldn't count as 3PTA. Plus, it would give us a new category for fantasy ball!
    It isn't counted as a shot in the NCAA, it's at the "scorers discretion".

    The closest sports equivalent I can come up with is the sacrifice bunt in baseball. It's a negative play for the player, yet a positive for the team, so baseball doesn't use it to calculate a player's batting average. If baseball, the least progressive thinking sport, can get this, why can't the NBA?

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    I've long been a DeMar skeptic, but damned if isn't playing like an all-star so far this pre-season. We haven't seen that 3PT shot come out, but:

    - His footwork is awesome. Both in the post and on his drives, he's doing a bunch of little things perfectly right, and it's giving him more choices on offense. No more driving into a crowd and not knowing what to do, because his footwork has prepared him and prevented him from getting into that situation in the first place.

    - He's picked up the James Harden style hesitation gather. I've now seen him do it a few times, against both the wolves and the knicks. The essence of the move is letting your dribble bounce up higher (by conventional wisdom a bad move, because it's easier to steal) while hesitating just a bit, and depending on how the defense reacts you either keep your dribble alive to keep probing or pick it up (starting your gather) quite a bit higher after the little hesitation, then use that to take your steps and slash to the hoop. Harden uses it all the time to keep defenders off balance; Ginobili uses it too, to great effect. You can see DeMar doing it against the Wolves at the 2:30 mark of this video.

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    His game against Timberwolves was flawless for sure.
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    Quote tkfu wrote: View Post
    I've long been a DeMar skeptic, but damned if isn't playing like an all-star so far this pre-season. We haven't seen that 3PT shot come out, but:

    - His footwork is awesome. Both in the post and on his drives, he's doing a bunch of little things perfectly right, and it's giving him more choices on offense. No more driving into a crowd and not knowing what to do, because his footwork has prepared him and prevented him from getting into that situation in the first place.

    - He's picked up the James Harden style hesitation gather. I've now seen him do it a few times, against both the wolves and the knicks. The essence of the move is letting your dribble bounce up higher (by conventional wisdom a bad move, because it's easier to steal) while hesitating just a bit, and depending on how the defense reacts you either keep your dribble alive to keep probing or pick it up (starting your gather) quite a bit higher after the little hesitation, then use that to take your steps and slash to the hoop. Harden uses it all the time to keep defenders off balance; Ginobili uses it too, to great effect. You can see DeMar doing it against the Wolves at the 2:30 mark of this video.
    He is looking good.

    Still waiting to see the 3 as you said but all other parts of his offensive game are looking good.

    What about the D?
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    What about the D?
    Can't say that I've noticed much dramatic change, but it hasn't been bad.

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    It's only been three preseason games and one scrimmage.. but DeMar has been very impressive. I went on the fire BC bandwagon as soon as I heard about DeMar's extension... I am still really happy he is gone, but if DeMar keeps playing like he did the last 3 games then he is going to be worth that contract and more.

    Consistency will be key.. but he has wowed me with his play so far.

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    He used to get caught while dribble penetrating and fumble w/ the ball, get it stolen...

    His handle is much better so far this season. His confidence is showing through his strength.

    I'd still like to see him drain a bunch of 3's and I'm sure that's going to come.

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    Quote Axel wrote: View Post
    Just wrong. Not only do the points count if it goes in, but there is a huge momentum gain. Think if you are at home, and you hit the 40 footer at the close of the first quarter. There is only a quick break before the 2nd quarter starts and the fans will be going nuts that entire break. You don't think fan cheering impacts player performance? There have been studies that prove that playing at home in front of a loud crowd has a positive impact on player performance. Don't like studies? Then go play in front of a crowd cheering madly (you only need a small number in a small gym). It jacks you up, and that extra energy helps a lot in areas like rebounding.
    Agree with the crowd part.

    Wait let me put it this way. 99% of the time taking that shot doesn't help your team. Better?

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