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    A thought re: DeMar and tanking. I had a thought last night about what the ideal way to keep DeMar and tank is, while still developing him as a player.

    Play DeMar at the point.

    Let him be the floor general. His floor vision has improved this year, so let's give him a chance to really call plays and lead this team on the floor. He'll not be too good at it initially and he's not quite fast enough to guard against true PGs, so we'll lose a lot of games. But DeMar will gain experience he can't get any other way.

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    This is the worse Idea I've ever heard


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    Quote magoon wrote: View Post
    A thought re: DeMar and tanking. I had a thought last night about what the ideal way to keep DeMar and tank is, while still developing him as a player.

    Play DeMar at the point.

    Let him be the floor general. His floor vision has improved this year, so let's give him a chance to really call plays and lead this team on the floor. He'll not be too good at it initially and he's not quite fast enough to guard against true PGs, so we'll lose a lot of games. But DeMar will gain experience he can't get any other way.

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    He still has the ball-handling skills of Betty White. So no.
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    Thats one way to gve the team a nickname The Toronto Turnovers T.O

    Turnover City! T.O City! T.dot.Over! Thats his thing this summer more handle work, defense work and a floater shot.

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    Quote magoon wrote: View Post
    A thought re: DeMar and tanking. I had a thought last night about what the ideal way to keep DeMar and tank is, while still developing him as a player.

    Play DeMar at the point.

    Let him be the floor general. His floor vision has improved this year, so let's give him a chance to really call plays and lead this team on the floor. He'll not be too good at it initially and he's not quite fast enough to guard against true PGs, so we'll lose a lot of games. But DeMar will gain experience he can't get any other way.

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    I'd at least give it a try for a couple games. Can't hurt if the plan actually is tanking.
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    i like it magoon

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    Rudy was complete blackhole in Toronto.

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    Quote rocwell wrote: View Post



    Rudy was complete blackhole in Toronto.

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    Yep everyone's assists are up. Lowry is at like 9 a game since the deal.

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    DeMar DeRizen

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    I had no idea it was his fiancé yelling and counting down the shot clock every game


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    Quote rocwell wrote: View Post



    Rudy was complete blackhole in Toronto.

    #Iloveballmovement
    Who would have known that Gay had snipers hidden in the stands that had orders, to shoot to kill if anyone passed the ball?

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    Quote magoon wrote: View Post
    A thought re: DeMar and tanking. I had a thought last night about what the ideal way to keep DeMar and tank is, while still developing him as a player.

    Play DeMar at the point.

    Let him be the floor general. His floor vision has improved this year, so let's give him a chance to really call plays and lead this team on the floor. He'll not be too good at it initially and he's not quite fast enough to guard against true PGs, so we'll lose a lot of games. But DeMar will gain experience he can't get any other way.

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    That's the best idea I've ever heard, by the time we're ready to compete he would have experience at the point which will only lead to more skills, ofcourse it'll be bad at first, but you have to fail before you succeed!

    Maybe not 24/7 at the point, but a significant amount of time at the point would make effects to his game!



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    Quote magoon wrote: View Post
    A thought re: DeMar and tanking. I had a thought last night about what the ideal way to keep DeMar and tank is, while still developing him as a player.

    Play DeMar at the point.

    Let him be the floor general. His floor vision has improved this year, so let's give him a chance to really call plays and lead this team on the floor. He'll not be too good at it initially and he's not quite fast enough to guard against true PGs, so we'll lose a lot of games. But DeMar will gain experience he can't get any other way.

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    I think that's a great idea, playing at point for him will only give him experience which will lead to better skills, aslong as we're tanking it won't hurt. Ofcourse itll be hard to watch at first, but it'll only make him better for the future, isn't that what tanking is, losing to make your future better?

    Not full time at PG bit a significant amount of time will only make him better!
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    Demar at the point is a terrible idea. He has barely adequate handles for the SG. He can barely deal with pressure. He is improving his court vision but he is not a great passer.

    So, yes, we'll lose more games, but the two biggest risks are:
    1. You stunt the development of other players, who won't get the ball. As it is Val doesn't get enough working plays. TRoss is only just starting to benefit from Lowry trusting him more.
    2. You could severely damage Demar's confidence. Look at what happened to Rudy after he put on all the weight. Not only was his lift and form affected, but you could see he was totally frustrated and on tilt.
    3. You ruin the value of your PGs by playing them off the ball.

    I wish you could gain new skills by playing another position, but that typically only works for developing players. Demar's cleared 10,000 minutes and the risks outweigh the benefits.

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    Agree totally with the above, other than barely adequate handles. He doesn't have yo yo handles but he controls the ball well and has a low turnover rate. Handles doesn't just mean breaking guys down off the bounce. Look at Lebron for example. Rarely does he dazzle you with spectacular dribble moves, but he gets where he needs to without losing it.

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    Quote Nosike wrote: View Post
    Agree totally with the above, other than barely adequate handles. He doesn't have yo yo handles but he controls the ball well and has a low turnover rate. Handles doesn't just mean breaking guys down off the bounce. Look at Lebron for example. Rarely does he dazzle you with spectacular dribble moves, but he gets where he needs to without losing it.
    lebrons body just doesnt seem built for that sort of thing. derozans should be!

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    Default Is Demar looking and more like Kobe by the day?

    Demar is a big SG, undersized SF like Kobe.
    Demar has an above average post game, especially for a guard. Like Kobe. And what's better is that I don't recall him working out with Hakeem Olajuwan.
    Both got a nasty fadeaway.
    Both got a nasty pull up jumper.
    Both were crazy athletic when they were young.
    Both have a somewhat inconsistent 3 point shot.

    And Demar is still growing

    Demar has grown into a great shooting guard with the offensively inept Dwane Casey, with ball hogs like Rudy Gay, Bargs, Alan Anderson, with no mentoring and in a garbage system.

    If we get some proper mentorship for Demar Derozan, or even have him work out with Hakeem Olajuwan, this guy is a keeper.
    Why trade him for 2 first rounders (at best) just to hope to get a guy like Derozan?

    This guy needs another season maybe, and another talent, and his game will easily take flight.

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    He may be LIKE Kobe, but he's not Kobe.


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    Quote consmap wrote: View Post
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    No. The nature of this team (ie. him being the best scorer on the team) forces him into situations where he has to be "like" Kobe.

    He'd be much better off if he could play a secondary role more like the one that Wade is currently playing with Miami. He's obviously not as good as Wade. But what I mean is he gets to play off a superstar who COMMANDS defensive attention. That results in him getting easy baskets off cuts, moving without the ball and weakside slashes into the defense. Then obviously, Wade will take the jumpshot when left alone.

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    Quote Masai Ujiri wrote: View Post
    No. The nature of this team (ie. him being the best scorer on the team) forces him into situations where he has to be "like" Kobe.

    He'd be much better off if he could play a secondary role more like the one that Wade is currently playing with Miami. He's obviously not as good as Wade. But what I mean is he gets to play off a superstar who COMMANDS defensive attention. That results in him getting easy baskets off cuts, moving without the ball and weakside slashes into the defense. Then obviously, Wade will take the jumpshot when left alone.
    I really don't get the bold, as it seems to be an excuse for one of two things:
    1. poor decision-making and/or inefficient scoring by DeRozan
    2. poor offensive game planning and play calling by Casey

    I agree completely that he's best suited to be a #2 scorer, behind a #1 option that doesn't make his game redundant (ie: the way Gay/DeRozan created redundancy and a poorly balanced starting lineup). However, I don't agree that him being forced into the #1 scoring role is a rationale for him to take some bad shots (ie: too many long 2's, too many forced/contested shots).

    I think there are other players that should get more touches and take more shots, within the flow of the game, even by having more plays created/called for them.

    A good example of this was the Miami game, when the Raps went away from the interior game down the stretch, after having success with it earlier in the 4th quarter (at one point Valanciunas scored 6 or 8 straight points). Unfortunately, with the game on the line, the Raptors (including DeRozan) fell into the old rut of falling in love with long jumpers, making it an easy win for Miami. This could be a combination of a young/inexperienced team succumbing to the pressure, poor coaching, and poor on-court execution. The bottom line though, is that if more players were being relied upon to score more regularly - which they should be on a team lacking a true #1 scoring option - they'd be more equipped to deal with those late-game pressure situations.

    You argued with other posters about needing to 'think outside the box' more in another thread recently, yet this type of excusing of DeRozan's inefficiency, is falling into the same trap. I actually think DeRozan would become a much better all around player and silence some of his critics (of which I've long been one), if he and/or Casey focused a little more on his own shooting efficiencies, rather than just excuse them under the rug.

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