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thead wrote: View PostI think we should trade DeRozan
lets do this.
JV and LAC pick to Miami
Deng, Demar, NYK first, Toronto 2017 first to Sactown
Patterson to Minny
Cousins, Whiteside, Martin to Toronto
Lowry/Joseph/Wright
Martin/Ross/Powell
Carroll/JJ/Bruno
Cousins/Scola
Whiteside/Biyombo/Bebe
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Snooch wrote: View Postmakes alot of sense.
lets do this.
JV and LAC pick to Miami
Deng, Demar, NYK first, Toronto 2017 first to Sactown
Patterson to Minny
Cousins, Whiteside, Martin to Toronto
Lowry/Joseph/Wright
Martin/Ross/Powell
Carroll/JJ/Bruno
Cousins/Scola
Whiteside/Biyombo/Bebe
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2KJ wrote: View PostI smell Demar getting traded - hopefully to the Lakers for their lottery pick (win-win situation imo - Demar can be the successor to Kobe, he's from Compton after all). And if they get Luke Walton as coach next year, they can be deadly. What scares me is if Demar will be among the ex-Raptors who will torment us in the future.
Demar's value is really high atm - arguably the best sg in the east. But despite that, he's no max player. He's a star, but not a superstar like a Curry, Lebron, Harden, etc.
Those teams not lucky enough to get a "superstar/generational player" still have to compete in the market for the next-best guys. Or tank. Or look to "beat the market", through truly superior talent-evaluation/luck, or loyalty (aka "strong-franchise") deals.
The latter is what many of us are hoping (even expecting, if you're me) Masai will negotiate with DeMar. What a value-deal would amount to is a matter of intense debate, of course. Two camps seem to have gathered around two salary ranges: $15-17M and $20-22M.
The former range resides purely in fantasy-land, though, in my view.Last edited by Wild-ling#1; Wed Dec 16, 2015, 03:11 PM.
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JWash wrote: View PostLet's not do that and say we did, yeah?
Please explain how trading Demar, JV, Patterson and a few picks
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Cousins, whiteside and Martin could possibly be a bad thing.
Cousins top 2 pf/c combo in the league now with three point range
Whiteside the top defensive center in the league
And martin a vet who is a very capable at spreading the floor.
Lowry
Martin
Carroll
Cousins
Whiteside.
how would teams even score on that.
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Snooch wrote: View Postit was a sort of joke.....but just for giggles...
Please explain how trading Demar, JV, Patterson and a few picks
for
Cousins, whiteside and Martin could possibly be a bad thing.
Cousins top 2 pf/c combo in the league now with three point range
Whiteside the top defensive center in the league
And martin a vet who is a very capable at spreading the floor.
Lowry
Martin
Carroll
Cousins
Whiteside.
how would teams even score on that.twitter.com/anthonysmdoyle
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Wild-ling#1 wrote: View PostWhat a value-deal would amount to is a matter of intense debate, of course. Two camps seem to have gathered around two salary ranges: $15-17M and $20-22M.
The former range resides purely in fantasy-land, though, in my view.Heir, Prince of Cambridge
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Axel wrote: View PostThe latter is almost pretty damn close to max. Not much of a negotiated "discount"."My biggest concern as a coach is to not confuse winning with progress." - Steve Kerr
"If it's unacceptable in defeat, it's unacceptable in victory." - Jeff Van Gundy
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Snooch wrote: View Postlol.
Boogie would bodyslam Casey"My biggest concern as a coach is to not confuse winning with progress." - Steve Kerr
"If it's unacceptable in defeat, it's unacceptable in victory." - Jeff Van Gundy
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Just Is wrote: View PostI think it NOT being the max is supposed to be the discount (if I'm interpreting it correctly). I really hope I'm not though because that's just funny.
(But I think the symbolism is great, too ... but the 12 to 20 million extra dollars, in Masai's pocket, are ... well, what they are.)
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Wild-ling#1 wrote: View PostIt's $3-5M dollars ... times four or five years. How can you suggest that that is some sort of mere symbolic or trivial amount to leave on the table?
(But I think the symbolism is great, too ... but the 12 to 20 million extra dollars, in Masai's pocket, are ... well, what they are.)Heir, Prince of Cambridge
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Axel wrote: View PostPretty sure DDs max starts around $23M. So $1M-$3M in savings which allows us to sign a min contract player.
(Does DD's max contract average $25M? ... with a contract starting at $20M averaging $22M? ... for a $3M discount? I think it's a minimum $3M per year saving if he starts at 20 ... I stand to be corrected - likely by you-know-who )
Anyway, a milion(s) dollar discount is a million(s) dollar discount. It's a good thing. If not a very good thing.Last edited by Wild-ling#1; Wed Dec 16, 2015, 04:19 PM.
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Once again, to reiterate some contract possibilities for clarity of discussion.
DeRozan's max if he signs in Toronto: 25.1M, 27.0M, 28.9M, 30.8M, 32.7M -> 144.6M over 5 years, 28.9M per year.
DeRozan's max if he signs elsewhere: 25.1M, 26.3M, 27.4M, 28.5M -> 107.4M over 4 years, 26.8M per year.
DeRozan signing a 4 year deal starting at 20M: 20.0M, 20.9M, 21.8M, 22.7M -> 85.4M over 4 years, 21.4M per year.
DeRozan signing a 4 year deal starting at 15M: 15.0M, 15.7M, 16.4M, 17.0M -> 64.1M over 4 years, 16.0M per year.
So note that the max is nearly twice annually what I and others have proposed, and about 25-35% more than the ~20M suggestion offered by many.
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