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    Just an article confirming what we all know: Tyler Hansbrough draws A LOT of fouls.

    http://grantland.com/the-triangle/ty...lays-the-heel/

    Plus some excellent examples of fouls he draws.

    If they accounted for fouls drawn + fouls given I'm sure he'd be #1 in the NBA.

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    And yet he rots on the bench for Lame Casey. Chuck Hayes getting outworked and out-heighted by Birdman while Hansbrough just sat had me head shaking, to say the least.
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    Default Grantland's Kirk Goldsberry on Tyler Hansbrough

    I love Grantland. They give by far the most coverage to Raps, and certainly more than they warrant based on roster talent and success, but hey, I'm not going to complain!

    I was going to post some of the text, but the truth is, the article has a bunch of amazing Tyler GIFs, (including last year's take down of JV) so be sure to click.


    "Tyler, the Enrager: The Raptors Forward Plays the Heel"
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    I love what Hansbrough has brought to this team and would really like to see him get more minutes (over Chuck Hayes). While he may not have the same defensive prowess, like the article says, he does a lot of things that benefits the team as a whole well beyond the box scores.
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    Just saw that I was beaten to this article... Mods please merge
    "We only have one rule on this team. What is that rule? E.L.E. That's right's, E.L.E, and what does E.L.E. stand for? EVERYBODY LOVE EVERYBODY. Right there up on the wall, because this isn't just a basketball team, this is a lifestyle. ~ Jackie Moon

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    Its funny, if you look at the comments on the article everyone seems to love psycho. Didnt know there were any tbro fans that weren't raptors and pacers fans.

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    yup...Psycho T should not a bench warmer, he's a hustler, board banger, defensive pest that's offensively capable around the bucket...he should be getting ALL of chuck hayes minutes...Casey's unwarranted loyalty of Hayes & Salmons is ridiculous...

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    Anyone notice that lately when Hansborough does play, if he gets an offensive rebound he has kicked it out....he is best when he takes that strong back up and gets fouled or the bucket. Casey trying to nuder yet another good player....

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    Quote OldSkoolCool wrote: View Post
    Anyone notice that lately when Hansborough does play, if he gets an offensive rebound he has kicked it out....he is best when he takes that strong back up and gets fouled or the bucket. Casey trying to nuder yet another good player....
    why? how?

    any negative is back to casey.

    the casey hate (and i don't like that word but it's appopriate here) on this board is almost laughable at times.

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    Quote stooley wrote: View Post
    why? how?

    any negative is back to casey.

    the casey hate (and i don't like that word but it's appopriate here) on this board is almost laughable at times.
    I don't know about hate but this is my view on Casey:

    1) he has a firm belief in how the game should be played - "right" being his way,
    2) he doesn't adapt to his players strengths and skillsets, he expects players to adapt to his beliefs on the "right" way to play.
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    Quote stooley wrote: View Post
    why? how?

    any negative is back to casey.

    the casey hate (and i don't like that word but it's appopriate here) on this board is almost laughable at times.
    It is true though. Psycho T is at his best when he snatches a board, bowls over 2 guys and puts it back in and/ or draws a foul. I've also noticed lately he's been kicking it back out once he gets a board. Whether it's coincidence or instruction I'm not sure.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I don't know about hate but this is my view on Casey:

    1) he has a firm belief in how the game should be played - "right" being his way,
    2) he doesn't adapt to his players strengths and skillsets, he expects players to adapt to his beliefs on the "right" way to play.
    I'm not sure that your second point is correct.

    It mostly applies to Ross and JV, but I think that's part of the development process. They literally are still learning the right way to play.

    I see Novak exclusively spot up on the 3 point line. I see Hansbrough playing within himself. I see DD doing what he loves (long twos?).

    Amir and 2Pat aren't funnelled into the same style.
    Vasquez and Lowry play very differently.
    Salmons doesn't fill the same role as DD.

    I see very little evidence of there being a strict D'Antoni style system in place.

    Are you referring to him enforcing certain fundamentals like getting back on defense, passing with both hands, etc? If so, I think that's a very good quality for a coach to have, especially when he's grooming a bunch of guys who are new in the league.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I don't know about hate but this is my view on Casey:

    1) he has a firm belief in how the game should be played - "right" being his way,
    2) he doesn't adapt to his players strengths and skillsets, he expects players to adapt to his beliefs on the "right" way to play.
    I'm not sure I agree with #2. Offensively, the sets have been adjusted this year to get Derozan into his sweet spots more often (a return to some of the stuff Triano ran for him). There are plays for Ross to get the threes from his spot on the wing. They've gone screen and roll with Amir in key situations playing to his stength as the roll man and Vasquez and Lowry clearly have the green light to get their own shots. Defensively, they've been far less aggressive on screen and roll coverage to help out JV, in particular, and they've double-teamed bigger wings and guards when needed.

    The bottom line is that Casey will have to answer for his personnel decisions to the GM and if Ujiri doesn't like they way he uses the players then Casey won't be around next year. Having said that, he doesn't have a lot of great options on the bench: Vasquez is inconsistent, Salmons is too old, Hayes is too limited, Novak is too one-dimensional, Hansbrough is too inconsistent, and Fields hasn't played all year, so it's difficult to incorporate a new guy at this point.

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    Quote BigCamB wrote: View Post
    It is true though. Psycho T is at his best when he snatches a board, bowls over 2 guys and puts it back in and/ or draws a foul. I've also noticed lately he's been kicking it back out once he gets a board. Whether it's coincidence or instruction I'm not sure.
    Ya I don't know if there is a correlation...but for a player suddenly to lose his PT and shortly thereafter start playing a different way is a pretty compelling painting for a coaching philosophy to me.

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    I'm not sure I agree with #2. Offensively, the sets have been adjusted this year to get Derozan into his sweet spots more often (a return to some of the stuff Triano ran for him). There are plays for Ross to get the threes from his spot on the wing. They've gone screen and roll with Amir in key situations playing to his stength as the roll man and Vasquez and Lowry clearly have the green light to get their own shots. Defensively, they've been far less aggressive on screen and roll coverage to help out JV, in particular, and they've double-teamed bigger wings and guards when needed.
    These are all very controlled plays...and fits Casey (ie trying to control Lowry). The way TH is effective is out of control and just let him crash the boards, which is not to how Casey want the game played and could be an explanation why Tyler has seen a decline in minutes and he is trying to adapt his game to appease Casey so he can play.

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    If it's okay, I will repeat what I wrote on the recent "Quick Reaction" thread: since the trade, the Raptors are 8-7 when Hansbrough does not play, and 15-5 when he plays 11 to 20 minutes. The first number includes the fourteen games he missed due to injury. He is a rhythm player and needs more minutes to be effective.

    Hansbrough looks frustrated right now and is missing shots or on occasion getting literally tangled with other players because he is pressing too hard. Why? Because he somehow has lost the confidence of the coach. He needs the support of the coaching staff and his teammates, and the team needs him, especially in the playoffs. He has more recent playoff experience than anyone else, after going to the conference finals last year.

    As for being a "heel," he just plays hard, old-school basketball, and does not throw elbows or punches or try to trip up other players. NBA players are just not used that any more.

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    RE: adapting to Casey's "way to plaY" ....I remember reading a piece sometime ago (hence no link) about the problems between Lowry & Casey last year on the way to play. I understand that Casey wanted him to take the ball into the paint/to the rim more often. Lowry disagreed and felt he would be more effective playing from the perimeter and maintain his defensive responsibilities much better. Clearly it looks like Lowry won out. Dont know if MU played a part in the "reconciliation" since a bit has been made of the confab at the beginning of this season between KL, TL, DC & MU.

    Re T Hans. I cant say enough about his work ethic and willingness to play hard. I also notice he rarely complains to the refs. apart from removing his mouthpiece and mumbling... like he wants to hear himself. re his popularity via the piece...there is a large NC community out there who remember his ACC scoring record etc.

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    Quote Bendit wrote: View Post
    RE: adapting to Casey's "way to plaY" ....I remember reading a piece sometime ago (hence no link) about the problems between Lowry & Casey last year on the way to play. I understand that Casey wanted him to take the ball into the paint/to the rim more often. Lowry disagreed and felt he would be more effective playing from the perimeter and maintain his defensive responsibilities much better. Clearly it looks like Lowry won out. Dont know if MU played a part in the "reconciliation" since a bit has been made of the confab at the beginning of this season between KL, TL, DC & MU.

    Re T Hans. I cant say enough about his work ethic and willingness to play hard. I also notice he rarely complains to the refs. apart from removing his mouthpiece and mumbling... like he wants to hear himself. re his popularity via the piece...there is a large NC community out there who remember his ACC scoring record etc.
    Yeah I've noticed that too, far too rare with players these days. Hans just dusts himself off and gets ready for the next melee
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    I don't think Nurse and Bayno (and Masai who put them in) get enough credit for the improvements on the season offensively.
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    Grantland does give a lot of Raps coverage...hopefully to make up for the first 5 months of the season, where they got basically zero love. Simmons still hasnt watched a Raps game, and they are so into the Wizards, they skim the Raps talk. The idea of Lowry being a malcontent was laid out, and became canon with them. Hopefully being on ABC for a playoff series will open up some eyes to them.

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