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    You all know i prefer JJ at the 4. He can play the 3 too but i prefer him at the 4. I think he can be just as good/effective as Draymond Green. JJ in my opinion can do everything that Green can do except shoot the ball consistently.

    Also, i was just looking at JJ's profile on NBA.com. He's 6'9 250lbs. Draymond is 6'7 230lbs. Our starting PF Amir Johnson is 6'9 210lbs.

    The way Amir has played this yaer, i wouldn't bring him back. As a backup sure, but definitely not as a starter. He's 27 years old but he plays like he's 37. Raptors need a new starting PF next year. Patterson could be that guy, but i prefer him on his current role. Would love to see JJ get mroe playing time at the 4.
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    Masai has flexibility for sure with JJ but I think he's better suited at the 3.. he's more mobile and can come out to the perimeter to defend guards and wings, and I think that it would be a waste to use him to help cover the rim whether Amir is back or not.

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    I certainly would like to see more of him at the 4.

    However, my concern is this: you put him at the 4 and the most likely result is that other teams stay big, he's got a PF on him, and he'll lose the advantage that he has now in posting up smaller players. However, if you go small, put him at the four along-side a floor-spacing big at center, that could work.

    The J.J. / P.P. combo just makes so much sense. Patterson pulls the PF out to the perimeter, and Johnson goes to work against the SF in the post. If the defense collapses, pass it out to Patterson for the wide open 3.
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    Quote TRex wrote: View Post
    You all know i prefer JJ at the 4. He can play the 3 too but i prefer him at the 4. I think he can be just as good/effective as Draymond Green. JJ in my opinion can do everything that Green can do except shoot the ball consistently.

    Also, i was just looking at JJ's profile on NBA.com. He's 6'9 250lbs. Draymond is 6'7 230lbs. Our starting PF Amir Johnson is 6'9 210lbs.

    The way Amir has played this yaer, i wouldn't bring him back. As a backup sure, but definitely not as a starter. He's 27 years old but he plays like he's 37. Raptors need a new starting PF next year. Patterson could be that guy, but i prefer him on his current role. Would love to see JJ get mroe playing time at the 4.
    Amir is listed at 210 but I would not doubt he is 235

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    I certainly would like to see more of him at the 4.

    However, my concern is this: you put him at the 4 and the most likely result is that other teams stay big, he's got a PF on him, and he'll lose the advantage that he has now in posting up smaller players. However, if you go small, put him at the four along-side a floor-spacing big at center, that could work.

    The J.J. / P.P. combo just makes so much sense. Patterson pulls the PF out to the perimeter, and Johnson goes to work against the SF in the post. If the defense collapses, pass it out to Patterson for the wide open 3.
    JJ is better defending SF and Guards. Using him at the 4 means Dear, Lowry or Ross/Lou are defending SF or PF. Defensively Raptors are trading Amir for a guard with JJ at the 4.

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    Amir is listed at 210 but I would not doubt he is 235
    Yeah I'm really shocked to hear that JJ has 40 pounds on Amir..
    Guys, I've brought you all hear today to introduce you to our new crunch time big: Giant Rock. Giant Rock is expected to stay in the paint and help on every single blow by. We'll require either Amir or Patterson to push Giant Rock out of the key every 3 seconds, then push him back in.

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    Jj would be a great draymond green kinda 4 I think
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    JJ works as a 4, but he's better off in our line-up as a 3 this year.
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    I would like to see JJ at the 4; because I noticed a bit of a chemistry defensively when JJ and JV work side-by-side and he helps JV a lot.

    There's only ONE PROBLEM: Who would be at the 3 spot (I don't see PPat there, Ross is Ross, DD struggles at the 3)

    Unless you put ROSS as SG; DD back at the 3 ???

    Maybe it's time to give Ross a try at the SG position; we HAVE to do something with the Kid.

    The Line-ups would look something like this :
    - KLOW. ROSS. DD. JJ. JV
    - Lou. GV. (Fields??). Pat. Amir/Chuck.

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    Quote Cody73 wrote: View Post
    JJ works as a 4, but he's better off in our line-up as a 3 this year.
    this is the key statement...JJ better in our lineup at the 3 THIS year...with PP & Amir we have depth at PF as opposed to having to rely on Ross again at SF...at this point i'd honestly be giving any Ross minutes to Fields...at least he brings it defensively and is a point forward (great passer/play maker) rather than a "missed 3 & no D" TRoss. JJ is a starter quality player whose game is more suited to the 4, he gives Masai the option in the off season to sign or trade for a star quality SF or PF and have JJ plug in the other side next season.

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    Quote RepTdot wrote: View Post
    this is the key statement...JJ better in our lineup at the 3 THIS year...with PP & Amir we have depth at PF as opposed to having to rely on Ross again at SF...at this point i'd honestly be giving any Ross minutes to Fields...at least he brings it defensively and is a point forward (great passer/play maker) rather than a "missed 3 & no D" TRoss. JJ is a starter quality player whose game is more suited to the 4, he gives Masai the option in the off season to sign or trade for a star quality SF or PF and have JJ plug in the other side next season.
    I'd agree with this, but what happens with Ross? You know not giving him any playing time won't happen.
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    I would like to see JJ at the 4; because I noticed a bit of a chemistry defensively when JJ and JV work side-by-side and he helps JV a lot.

    There's only ONE PROBLEM: Who would be at the 3 spot (I don't see PPat there, Ross is Ross, DD struggles at the 3)

    Unless you put ROSS as SG; DD back at the 3 ???

    Maybe it's time to give Ross a try at the SG position; we HAVE to do something with the Kid.

    The Line-ups would look something like this :
    - KLOW. ROSS. DD. JJ. JV
    - Lou. GV. (Fields??). Pat. Amir/Chuck.

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    I just want to see JJ starting next to PP... They're both mobile enough to hit the perimeter and get back to the paint defensively and both (especially johnson) are able to do well on a switch, johnson is a beast in the paint and pat is a beast on the perimeter while both are willing passers.

    It just seems to make sense. Amir is great, but the flexibility you get from those two at the forward spots is unreal. Depending on what you want to run Offensively/Defensively they are the perfect role player pairing and completely interchangeable at their positions

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    Quote distorsun wrote: View Post
    I would like to see JJ at the 4; because I noticed a bit of a chemistry defensively when JJ and JV work side-by-side and he helps JV a lot.

    There's only ONE PROBLEM: Who would be at the 3 spot (I don't see PPat there, Ross is Ross, DD struggles at the 3)

    Unless you put ROSS as SG; DD back at the 3 ???

    Maybe it's time to give Ross a try at the SG position; we HAVE to do something with the Kid.

    The Line-ups would look something like this :
    - KLOW. ROSS. DD. JJ. JV
    - Lou. GV. (Fields??). Pat. Amir/Chuck.
    Yep, that's the problem with that as a starting lineup. It might be okay, if Lou/GV/Ross are the first sub into the game if Amir picks up a couple of quick fouls, or is having an off-night, or as a standard rotation idea.

    That said, I'd still like to have an extended look at the People's Starting Lineup: #JV/PP/JJ/DD/KL

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    Quote Cody73 wrote: View Post
    I'd agree with this, but what happens with Ross? You know not giving him any playing time won't happen.
    yea not this season...although i'd personally give his 12-16mins to Fields for on court reasons that would plummet Ross trade value even more and we need that for the off season...JJ/Ross are staying at the 3 this year.

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    What is Draymond's reach vs JJ's? I know JJ is similar size but Green just seems longer and more disruptive

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    Quote BrydenB wrote: View Post
    What is Draymond's reach vs JJ's? I know JJ is similar size but Green just seems longer and more disruptive
    JJ's reach is 8'9.5"
    Green's reach is 8'9"

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    Quote BrydenB wrote: View Post
    What is Draymond's reach vs JJ's? I know JJ is similar size but Green just seems longer and more disruptive
    Pretty much the same...Green has half an inch on JJ on wingspan...JJ has half an inch on Green on standing reach. That's per their old draftexpress pages.

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    I'd would absolutely love Green and JJ playing together. They'd be able to guard and score on any SF/PF combo out there. Imagine a player using a screen to get JJ off him only to find Green has switched onto him. That's only the defensive side. Green can stretch the floor while JJ goes inside, so they'd be very similar offensively to the JJ/PP combo people want to see (myself included).

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    Quote Primer wrote: View Post
    I'd would absolutely love Green and JJ playing together. They'd be able to guard and score on any SF/PF combo out there. Imagine a player using a screen to get JJ off him only to find Green has switched onto him. That's only the defensive side. Green can stretch the floor while JJ goes inside, so they'd be very similar offensively to the JJ/PP combo people want to see (myself included).
    One of the reasons why I'd like Caroll too, but with JJ at the 4 in that situation. Would be pretty hard to stop us then.
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