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    That article is nonsense. It starts of by saying Casey and JJ are getting grilled about why he's not playing JJ and then when he says why it goes on to say he's throwing JJ under the bus. Why not talk about why JJ with all his talent and ability to be one of the leagues premiere stoppers has had such a hard time sticking with a team? Or that maybe you need to trust the other players to do their job (even if they don't)? Doesn't it make sense that if you don't trust your teammates to do their jobs and don't do what is asked of you on defense that you are directly causing the breakdown in the defensive scheme?

    Thanks for posting by the way. For some reason I can never reply to the articles on the main page.

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    wow, I think this team is in more trouble than I thought lol

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    Is he retarded? Or are we too smart.
    What seems obvious is totally oblivious to the Raptors organization. Yes I call the whole organization out not just 1 piece of the puzzle.

    It would be great if someone would have an objective interview with DC. There are so many holes and gaps in his approach to basketball as a whole. If he's a defensive genius / top basketball minds of the world ( as people say) - then he should be able to break down and crush any argument against him.

    But it's similar to asking tough questions to a politician, they will always find a way out of it or you simply never get a chance .

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    Quote SamMitchells wrote: View Post
    Is he retarded? Or are we too smart.
    What seems obvious is totally oblivious to the Raptors organization. Yes I call the whole organization out not just 1 piece of the puzzle.
    It would be great if someone would have an objective interview with DC. There are so many holes and gaps in his approach to basketball as a whole. If he's a defensive genius / top basketball minds of the world ( as people say) - then he should be able to break down and crush any argument against him.

    But it's similar to asking tough questions to a politician, they will always find a way out of it or you simply never get a chance .

    All we do is speculate
    I think you hit the nail on the head SMitch. It's not just one guy that is making all the decisions out there. The Raptors are a multi million dollar organization with a tonne of staff and payroll which comes up with a style of play which they feel is most suitable for the players out there. If they decided to play up tempo iso style this season it sure as hell wasn't Casey making that decision by himself. It's a plan constructed by a large pool of analysts, coaches etc. which then gets approved by people with higher authority than just Casey alone. Problem is that event the best laid out plans aren't always full proof.

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    What a farce.

    Where have I heard the complaints of double standards and a lack of consistent accountability before?

    Oh right.
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    ^ What, how do you know this? From everything I've read, MU doesn't like to meddle with HCs. So if MU isn't involved, who is? Is Casey talking with ownership and getting tips about the style of play from them?

    Going back to the article... what a joke. Not surprising with Casey though. I will give praise to James for handling the situation so well.

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    I'm not a Casey apologist at all, but I can sort of understand wanting to keep JJ's defense on point. He was primarily brought here to stop the Joe Johnsons and Lebrons come April/May. Everything else he provides is gravy.

    If JJ is slipping in the one thing he's supposed to do, it makes sense to nip it in the bud before the season ends.

    But this doesn't excuse Casey from not singling out the rest of the crappy defenders on this roster.
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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    I'm not a Casey apologist at all, but I can sort of understand wanting to keep JJ's defense on point. He was primarily brought here to stop the Joe Johnsons and Lebrons come April/May. Everything else he provides is gravy.

    If JJ is slipping in the one thing he's supposed to do, it makes sense to nip it in the bud before the season ends.

    But this doesn't excuse Casey from not singling out the rest of the crappy defenders on this roster.
    But the funny thing is he's doing what he's supposed to do, AND MORE !
    LOL

    He's the best defensive player on the team. He's a " flat out stud "
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    Quote SamMitchells wrote: View Post
    But the funny thing is he's doing what he's supposed to do, AND MORE !
    LOL

    He's the best defensive player on the team. He's a " flat out stud "
    If he's indeed overhelping, then he's leaving guys like Joe Johnson and Lebron. A cardinal sin come playoff time.
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    That's garbage man. You don't eat his minutes because he's over helping. He can be told that in private and I'm sure he will listen. He's blocking shots, and shutting down defenders. Not only that but he shoots a wicked Fg%
    If anything , you sit Vasquez and Lowry before you sit down our best player.
    That's bad coaching. We're not a championship team to have such tough standards. And even if we did have some " tough love " going on , why only JJ gets that kind of love?

    He's the most consistent player on the squad
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    In JJs's defense, If your playing and you see GV guarding Jackson or Evans man on man maybe you go help

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    Quote SamMitchells wrote: View Post
    That's garbage man. You don't eat his minutes because he's over helping. He can be told that in private and I'm sure he will listen. He's blocking shots, and shutting down defenders. Not only that but he shoots a wicked Fg%
    If anything , you sit Vasquez and Lowry before you sit down our best player.
    That's bad coaching. We're not a championship team to have such tough standards. And even if we did have some " tough love " going on , why only JJ gets that kind of love?

    He's the most consistent player on the squad
    Again, I'm not defending Casey at all. He's an idiot by every definition of the word.

    I'm just saying that JJ's overhelping should be corrected. But so should every other defensive issue that plagues this team.
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    Again, I'm not defending Casey at all. He's an idiot by every definition of the word.

    I'm just saying that JJ's overhelping should be corrected. But so should every other defensive issue that plagues this team.

    That is my issue.

    I don't get the picking and choosing of who to punish or call out.

    Seems like JJ is doing too much of what Casey wants while the others are not doing enough.

    If I was a coach in that situation, I'd have a much larger issue with the guys not doing enough.
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    Quote SamMitchells wrote: View Post
    That's garbage man. You don't eat his minutes because he's over helping. He can be told that in private and I'm sure he will listen. He's blocking shots, and shutting down defenders. Not only that but he shoots a wicked Fg%
    If anything , you sit Vasquez and Lowry before you sit down our best player.
    That's bad coaching. We're not a championship team to have such tough standards. And even if we did have some " tough love " going on , why only JJ gets that kind of love?

    He's the most consistent player on the squad
    how do you know he hasn't been told that? how do you know he's so good at listening?

    either way, #firecasey

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    Quote mcHAPPY wrote: View Post
    That is my issue.

    I don't get the picking and choosing of who to punish or call out.

    Seems like JJ is doing too much of what Casey wants while the others are not doing enough.

    If I was a coach in that situation, I'd have a much larger issue with the guys not doing enough.
    Agreed. We've seen injustices all season, with JV and JJ getting limited minutes, while Vasquez, Lou, DeRozan, etc. don't seem to be disciplined at all.

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    The idea that "fixing" JJ's tendency to over-help fixes the defence is insane. I truly hope Casey isn't that delusional.

    And if JJ is over-helping too much and leaving his man open, like Casey's comments would lead you to believe, how come JJ is easily the best defender on the team by every measurable output? If he was leaving his man open, shouldn't there be some statistical consequences?

    Casey's head is so far up his ass at this point, he might as well just do his press conferences like this

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    "JJ, you're making our guards look bad on defense. Stop."
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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    If he's indeed overhelping, then he's leaving guys like Joe Johnson and Lebron. A cardinal sin come playoff time.
    Over-helping was one of my biggest complaints about JJ during his first stint with the Raptors. He'd drift off his man in the hopes of going for a steal or a highlight-reel block from his help-defense, while often letting his man hit wide open 3's. When JJ accepts his role and plays within himself, he can be one of the best defensive SF's in the league. However, when he starts going for the highlight reel and/or channeling his inner MJ on offense, he plays himself out of the lineup (and out of the coach's good graces if he makes a stink about it).

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    Over-helping was one of my biggest complaints about JJ during his first stint with the Raptors. He'd drift off his man in the hopes of going for a steal or a highlight-reel block from his help-defense, while often letting his man hit wide open 3's. When JJ accepts his role and plays within himself, he can be one of the best defensive SF's in the league. However, when he starts going for the highlight reel and/or channeling his inner MJ on offense, he plays himself out of the lineup (and out of the coach's good graces if he makes a stink about it).
    You can't be saying you think the issue with our defense is over helping... Let's not pretend this is about what JJ does right or wrong here because that doesn't really matter when he is the best defender on the team. I would over-help too if I was out there with our perimeter defenders and knowing how I would have to scramble. I would rather they shoot a wide open three than hit the wide open layup

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