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    Vince came at a time when there was no true star on the Raptors. Tracy McGrady was drafted the year before Vince but was far from a star at the time. Damon Stoudemire was probably the best Raptor at the time and there's no questioning the fact that Damon had his best years in purple. Damon left a year after Vince arrived. Derozan came to Toronto where there was already Bosh demanding the ball meaning that Derozan got less touches than Vince would have gotten. Derozan has loads of potential and hopefully with Bosh gone, the scoring is a little more divided. I could be wrong but that's just how I see it.

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    I don't know why some people think that there's no potential in him. Yes some players are better and have broader skillsets than others but if it were that easy, any player could average 20 or more ppg is they get the ball enough.

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    C’mon. I like DeRozan a lot and I hope he’s as good one day as I think he might be. But Vince was lightning in a bottle for a while back then. Judging on pure talent alone, I’d say that few would measure up to VC, again, as he was for those few years or so. Where DeMar might have a chance to one day be spoken of in the same breath, is if he works his butt off to improve, continuously, the way VC really didn’t. But I don’t think the question should be seriously asked even, for another good while yet ... unless of course, DeMar knocks all our socks off this year. But that’s kind of asking a lot at this point, imo.
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    DD can't be in the Carter situation until he can hit 3-point at will and develop a consistent jump shot. The good news is he's modelling his work ethic after Kobe and that will bode well. Demar is at Kobe's level at the same age.
    Last edited by Raptorsss; Mon Sep 13th, 2010 at 07:31 PM. Reason: 3-points are not dimes >.< Brain fart!

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    that's why its hard to form an opinion on this article. I really believe that if Demar works his ass off he can be in the same league as VC, but surpassing him is nearly impossible. Maybe im just saying this since demar holds the keys to any and all success this year...

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    Kobe wasn't really a high scorer in his rookie year either. Demar played and started more games than Kobe did. Kobe posted 7.6 ppg , Demar posted 8.6

    Kobe had what Demar didn't though. A great jumpshot

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    Hmmm, yes, but I think the team back then at that point was a lot like this new "young guns era". Carter was very entertaining back then but he hadn't yet commanded a role of "the man". In fact, he never really ever commanded that role. His problem has always been that he's shied away from being the man and he's never wanted to be the guy who must carry the weight by himself. Before McGrady left he had a partner in crime, after McGrady left it was 100% no doubts about it all on him. Its funny when you think about it. Carter didn't want to be "the guy", McGrady did but felt he couldn't in Toronto with Carter there and so he left. I think Carter being the franchise guy was more about what management and the marketing team wanted and less about what he truly wanted. People were screaming for the next Jordan back then and Carter had all the skills. He was a marketing goldmine and I think MLSE and Raptors brass got too caught up in it, neglected T-Mac and as a result T-Mac succumbed to his own ego and left. I think it can be strongly argued that the guy from Dime is right on this particular point.
    Vince never really wanted the role of "the man", but the last year McGrady was on the team he averaged 25.7 ppg, good for 4th in the league, made the All Star team and was 3rd team All-NBA. Whether he wanted the title or not, he was the Raptors franchise player, whether or not McGrady was there.

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    Quote Raptorsss wrote: View Post
    DD can't be in the Carter situation until he can hit dimes at will and develop a consistent jump shot. The good news is he's modelling his work ethic after Kobe and that will bode well. Demar is at Kobe's level at the same age.
    A dime is an assist. I'm pretty sure that's not what you mean.

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    Anyone who thinks DD, or anyone can't pass Vince's skills need to get VC's teabags outta' their mouths. He's just as human as DD is. Why can't DD do it? He can't get better? He can't surprise people or himself? Geez.
    That statment can go to every guard that has entered the league after Vince Carter and as you can see seldom few did reach the kind of level Carter has achieved. Getting to the NBA is one thing, becoming a bonafide star is another.

    DD hasn't really shown anything yet that he can reach that level, he may do so but thus far its all speculation but the odds are against him, so you can take DD's teabags outta your mouth and stop being such a tribal honker.

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    Quote Hotshot wrote: View Post
    That statment can go to every guard that has entered the league after Vince Carter and as you can see seldom few did reach the kind of level Carter has achieved. Getting to the NBA is one thing, becoming a bonafide star is another.

    DD hasn't really shown anything yet that he can reach that level, he may do so but thus far its all speculation but the odds are against him, so you can take DD's teabags outta your mouth and stop being such a tribal honker.
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    I don't doubt that DD will one day be considered the Raptors' franchise player. However, to claim that DD will be better than Carter in his prime is a VERY bold statement. In his prime, Carter was considered to be a top-3 SG in the league--perhaps a top-5 PLAYER. People were talking about Carter being the next JOrdan. Debates were raging about Carter vs. Kobe. Even Jordan was comparing the two--in fact, Jordan said that Kobe was more like him than Carter... but the fact that Carter was even in the discussion shows the respect he was getting.

    Does anyone here truly believe that DD can become a top-5 player in the league? I don't.

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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    Vince never really wanted the role of "the man", but the last year McGrady was on the team he averaged 25.7 ppg, good for 4th in the league, made the All Star team and was 3rd team All-NBA. Whether he wanted the title or not, he was the Raptors franchise player, whether or not McGrady was there.
    I know his accolades but stats don't tell you what he was thinking. Many comments, actions and a long list of happenings through history do.

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    let's just not make with DD the same mistake that has been done with Bargnani. The comparision only effect is to rise expectations, and thus delusions. We should assess fairly the guy.

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    Demar might become as good of a dunker as Carter but as it stands he can't shoot 3s. If he can fix that then maybe but that's a pretty big if.

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    Comparisons can hurt a player or they can help him. If people around the league see a toronto player with a carter-esque game, they might pay more attention to him in hopes that he becomes the next carter. I think the only thing holding back DD is the confidence to know he CAN be the man if he works at it and is aggressive... maybe comparisons will help him rise to it.

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    Default DeMar DeRozan

    Anyone else worried about DeRozan for the future?

    I'm not seeing a lot of growth or development nor are his stats very good for a starting 2 guard. I know he is 21 but........

    2010-11 Statistics FG 3PT FT Rebounds Misc
    Season 7 29.9 33-78 .423 1-6 .167 21-27 .778 1.1 2.1 3.3 .57 .43 1.57 3.00 1.1 12.6

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    He's hitting highs across the board. I think he's doing quite fine. He has to work more on taking the ball to the hoop and working on his range. I'm not worried.

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    Quote MangoKid wrote: View Post
    He's hitting highs across the board. I think he's doing quite fine. He has to work more on taking the ball to the hoop and working on his range. I'm not worried.
    Yes, I see improvement but I'm not sure if that is because he has moved up the list of options and getting more opportunities. I look at guys last year who were rookies and they were able to contribute right away and actually look like they belong. I'm not getting that from DeRozan. Again I'm not knocking the guy I just am not sure he'll ever live up to the billing as a future starting 2 guard in the league. I really hope I'm wrong in these thoughts.

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    Okay, I can't understand what those stats mean.

    But on the other hand, DeRozan is still 20, or maybe just turned 21. He is still extremely young, and raw. He won't be getting 8 free-throw attempts a game, and won't be an all-star anytime soon. But he's good, athletic and young. He hasn't played too well in the past few games but who has? I'll give him some time, a few years and I think he will be pretty good.

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    I guess I am being overly critical. My fear is the team is building around a guy who could be a Ronnie Brewer.

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