Everything Demar Derozan

[Tim W.]

thats only since january

Who cares how many blocks a player gets? Bargani's blocks don't correlate to good defense, and I expect a 7 footer to block shots. SGs aren't expected to block shots. I'd rather see Bargnani get .5 blocks a game, but play good defense than see him block 2 a game and have him play defense the way he has been.

[DunkinDerozan]

As much as I like Derozan, I beleive he will regress if we trade Bargnani. In the small sample of games without Andrea Demar has struggled. Coincidence? I think not.

[Junior]

Even though Andrea is infamously the worst defensive center in the league, and quite possibly the worst defensive player in general, for the sake of argument, I will agree with you: he is an absolute gem, shooting 0.448 from the field at seven feet. So given Andrea is a gem, how is DeMar a disappointment? His sophmore season has been at least as good as Andrea's; therefore, he is theoretically en route to be at least as good as Andrea: an gem to every other GM in the league.

DeMar is still a sophmore, 21 years of age. Even if he was significantly less productive than he is currently, say as productive as Andrea was in his sophmore season, he still has plenty of time to make an All-Star of himself.

I think we need to wait another year or two to even begin to pass judgment on whether DeMar has lived up to the potential we gave him, regardless of statistics. Relax.

[Multipaul]

As much as I like Derozan, I beleive he will regress if we trade Bargnani. In the small sample of games without Andrea Demar has struggled. Coincidence? I think not.

That's what I'm saying, when AB's not playing , DD just disappears. At least Bargs tries to step up and be the man, tries to take over gams. it doesnt always work, but he gives it a shot. Demar just turtles yo.

[DunkinDerozan]

Who cares how many blocks a player gets? Bargani's blocks don't correlate to good defense, and I expect a 7 footer to block shots. SGs aren't expected to block shots. I'd rather see Bargnani get .5 blocks a game, but play good defense than see him block 2 a game and have him play defense the way he has been.

Mr Defence all of a sudden doesn't like blocks? Wow make your mind I want your defenition of a good defensive player. I bet you don't even watch the games. You just check box scores and pop a bottle of champaigne when you see Bargnani has less than 5 boards a game.

[Multipaul]

Even though Andrea is infamously the worst defensive center in the league, and quite possibly the worst defensive player in general, for the sake of argument, I will agree with you: he is an absolute gem, shooting 0.448 from the field at seven feet. So given Andrea is a gem, how is DeMar a disappointment? His sophmore season has been at least as good as Andrea's; therefore, he is theoretically en route to be at least as good as Andrea: an gem to every other GM in the league.

DeMar is still a sophmore, 21 years of age. Even if he was significantly less productive than he is currently, say as productive as Andrea was in his sophmore season, he still has plenty of time to make an All-Star of himself.

I think we need to wait another year or two to even begin to pass judgment on whether DeMar has lived up to the potential we gave him, regardless of statistics. Relax.

Well Bargs was playing under Smitch, playing less minutes, and was being restricted from playing his full game.

I think there is too much hype on DD, and it is not being backed up by statistical relevance, which is my point.

Most ppl are responding to this thread with "Bargs sucks", which means they acknowledge my points on DD

[Raptors_]

Let me help you:

Demar, career: 0.3 bpg (0.4 for this season)
Turnovers per game: 1.2 career, 1.7 this season
RPG: 3.3 career, 3.7 this year
Personal Fouls: 2.5 career, 2.7 this year
Points per Game: 12.4 career, 16.5 this season

Not a very big improvement at all

The word is : disappointing

Don't drink the Demar kool aid yo!

Let me help you:

Bargnani, last season 1.4 bpg (0.7 this season)
Turnovers: last season 1.5 (this year 2.3)
Rbpg: 6.2 last season (5.2 this season)
PPG: 17.2 last season (21.8 this season)

Not a very big improvement at all

The word is: shit

Don't eat the primo pasta yo!

[Multipaul]

Mr Defence all of a sudden doesn't like blocks? Wow make your mind I want your defenition of a good defensive player. I bet you don't even watch the games. You just check box scores and pop a bottle of champaigne when you see Bargnani has less than 5 boards a game.

LMAO, this is the rap of the day!

[Multipaul]

Let me help you:

Bargnani, last season 1.4 bpg (0.7 this season)
Turnovers: last season 1.5 (this year 2.3)
Rbpg: 6.2 last season (5.2 this season)
PPG: 17.2 last season (21.8 this season)

Not a very big improvement at all

The word is: shit

Don't eat the primo pasta yo!

Ummm...21.8 ppg.....from 17.2...that isnt good?

Come on burlington buckaroo, i know you are young, dont try and spar with the big boys yet

[GarbageTime]

You call Bargs a laughing stock, here are his #'s since Jan 1:
January 1 (40 games) are: 19ppg, 6.5rpg 2bpg

Laughing stock to you means gem to every other GM in the league, face it

people should really check stats before believing this guy (or a Bargs fan in general).

He is actually averaging 0.7 blocks per game and 5 rebounds since January. (much worse as you get further away from january......)

[Junior]

Turnovers per game: 1.2 career, 1.7 this season
RPG: 3.3 career, 3.7 this year
Personal Fouls: 2.5 career, 2.7 this year
Points per Game: 12.4 career, 16.5 this season

I hope you understand how stupid it is to compare a second year player's second year stats to his career average, when analyzing his development.

[Multipaul]

people should really check stats before believing this guy (or a Bargs fan in general).

He is actually averaging 0.7 blocks per game and 5 rebounds since January. (much worse as you get further away from january......)

now your stats are just GARBAGE

[Multipaul]

I hope you understand how stupid it is to compare a second year player's second year stats to his career average, when analyzing his development.

dont be another DD apologist young Junior!

[DunkinDerozan]

That's what I'm saying, when AB's not playing , DD just disappears. At least Bargs tries to step up and be the man, tries to take over gams. it doesnt always work, but he gives it a shot. Demar just turtles yo.

Yea good point. It takes a MAN to be the MAN. Not everyone is ready to handle the pressure of being the man. Bargnani could easily turtle up and take 8 shots per game if he cared about PER and all that bullshit. But he wants to be the man RESPECT.

[Raptors_]

Ummm...21.8 ppg.....from 17.2...that isnt good?

Come on burlington buckaroo, i know you are young, dont try and spar with the big boys yet

Lol stfu man!
Derozan
last season ppg:8.6
This season:16.4
thats a 7.8 ppg increase and that is a huge stride. Next season he'll be averaging 20+ppg and it took bargnani 3 season just to average 15ppg. So sit your old ass down "buckaroo"

[GarbageTime]

I'm sorry, but this is a "my favourite player is being beaten up by everyone, so I'm going to try and turn the tables by criticizing a well liked player" thread. DeRozan had one bad game, but is one of the better performing sophomore SGs in the league.

In fact, he's 3rd among all sophomores in scoring and 10th in PER among sophomores who play at least 25 mpg. And he's much more productive than Bargnani was in his second year (14 PER to Bargnani's 10.6 PER, which doesn't take into account minutes played).

Unfortunately, I've seen a lot of this happening among Bargnani fans, who, I'm guessing, are sick of Bargnani being picked on, so start picking on guys like DeMar and Amir. The criticizing of Amir is particularly ridiculous because he's been the Raptors most consistent and productive player throughout the season, the one who has played the most well rounded game, and about the only guy who is not on his rookie contract that is actually earning his money.

If these people who criticize DeRozan don't also criticize Bargnani, then it's hypocritical at best, and trolling at worst. Neither one has played good defense and, outside of scoring, neither has contributed much. At least there is still hope DeRozan's defense will improve, because he's only in his second year. Bargnani, at this point, is basically a lost cause on that end of the floor.

While I actually do think Derozan has not showed alot for me to have faith that he could be anything more than a back up (to date)... I do find the hypocracy/ignorance in the Bargnani boys ridiculous.

And you are right Tim, this is all it is. A diversion. They want to somehow justify in their own mind how "good" Bargnani is and how its everyone else bringing him down.

[Multipaul]

Lol stfu man!
Derozan
last season ppg:8.6
This season:16.4
thats a 7.8 ppg increase and that is a huge stride. Next season he'll be averaging 20+ppg and it took bargnani 3 season just to average 15ppg. So sit your old ass down "buckaroo"

Ur funny lil bro, I'm glad you are on this board. I can tell you we would be better off with another 2 , even the other 2's from DD's draft class

[GarbageTime]

now your stats are just GARBAGE

no those are accurate... but I understand. To the Barg boys accuracy and facts are just things that get in the way.

[Multipaul]

While I actually do think Derozan has not showed alot for me to have faith that he could be anything more than a back up (to date)... I do find the hypocracy/ignorance in the Bargnani boys ridiculous.

And you are right Tim, this is all it is. A diversion. They want to somehow justify in their own mind how "good" Bargnani is and how its everyone else bringing him down.

i love this, it's OK to hate on Bargs, in fact, it's like, commonplace and widely embraced

but if someone dares to point out the deficiencies of another player, everyone says "bargs sucks"

you all are hypocrites if you do that you know.

I'll meet you here next year when you are crying about "yo multipaul was right, DD sucks, trade his ass"

I'll be here waiting you pine nuts

[DunkinDerozan]

Even though Andrea is infamously the worst defensive center in the league, and quite possibly the worst defensive player in general, for the sake of argument, I will agree with you: he is an absolute gem, shooting 0.448 from the field at seven feet. So given Andrea is a gem, how is DeMar a disappointment? His sophmore season has been at least as good as Andrea's; therefore, he is theoretically en route to be at least as good as Andrea: an gem to every other GM in the league.

DeMar is still a sophmore, 21 years of age. Even if he was significantly less productive than he is currently, say as productive as Andrea was in his sophmore season, he still has plenty of time to make an All-Star of himself.

I think we need to wait another year or two to even begin to pass judgment on whether DeMar has lived up to the potential we gave him, regardless of statistics. Relax.

Nahh beee what applies to one applies to all.

The NBA is a what have you done for me lately league. None of us have the time to wait another 2 years geez you want me to be dead. I want production now... What is this if he wants to develope get down to the dleague and join solomon.